BlueWolf: Prosecuting our own inquisition
Written by James BlueWolf   
Wednesday, 29 April 2009

A recent local newspaper reader’s opinion that the contemplation of prosecuting torturers and their superiors for utilizing the fanciful scribbling of a few morally bankrupt lawyers to justify their outrages is a fools errand demonstrates how far down the path toward psychopathic one segment of the American population has traveled.

 

In an examination of the historical record we find this point of view reoccurring time and time again throughout the American experiment always with a record book asterisk that it represents an unacceptable premise and that the American Dream is above that type of behavior even in wartime.

 

To be fair, the American government has prosecuted on occasion its soldiers for war crimes and has certainly encouraged or participated in the prosecution of foreign nationals for war crimes against American military or civilian personnel. Historically, water-boarding was common in Europe during the Middle Ages and the Inquisition utilized it frequently.

 

The Dutch East India Co. used it as did 19th century prisons. During the Spanish American War, a U.S. military officer was court-martialed for using it and President Truman publicly called for efforts to “prevent the occurrence of all such acts in the future.” It was a favorite tactic of both the Gestapo and the Japanese during World War II and a Japanese military officer was prosecuted for waterboarding an American Captain in 1946.

 

Vietnam-era U.S. soldiers frequently used the process until a collective group of American Generals opposed the tactic and at least one soldier was court-martialed. Of course, this moral ambivalence in some areas of our populace is understandable.

 

With the Inquisition and Middle Age Europe approving such behaviors it’s predictable that it should loom large over the shoulder of descendant Christianity. It’s also predictable that non-military, fanatic, nationals might resort to the tactics of previously despised enemies to achieve the selfsame goals, albeit with ineffective and counterproductive results.

 

Despite Vice President Cheney’s vehement assertions to the contrary, no experienced interrogator has ever testified to any kind of torture being effective at gathering usable intelligence from hardened military personnel.

 

The reason civilians, a la Cheney, think waterboarding is an effective tool is more because they know that in their own soft and cushy lives with none of their own families ever serving in combat these processes would definitely be effective against them!

 

New information released in the last week shows that much of the intelligence gleaned from the prominent terrorists was revealed well before any “torture techniques” were utilized, leading to questions as to why they were necessary at all. Armchair warriors like Bush and Chaney ignored the protestations of generals and interrogators in their own military hierarchy to continue down this path of idiocy. Now they all should be held accountable.

 

It fascinates me that our society scrunches up our moral noses in disgust at visible sexuality yet sits placidly by while our children are exposed to endless hours of watching human beings killing each other.

 

Americans have a choice these days to continue being the country that talks out of both sides of its mouth when it comes to ethics and morality or to choose to elevate itself to practicing what is right and not what is, in the end, simply a flashy pretense of toughness devoid of any effective results.

 

James BlueWolf lives in Nice.

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Let's Move On
written by number1, April 29, 2009
Lets look at reality. We were brutaly attacked. No one on 9/12 knew where the next attack would be or when. Those defending us determined aggressive interogation techniques were needed. Congress reviewed and approved them. They worked, attacks planned on Los Angeles, the Brooklyn Bridge, as well as others were stopped. We haven't been attacked since. If the current administration wants to ban such techniques and has a better plan it is their choice (lets hope they are right). To go back and prosecute what was determined to be legal at the time, is as Mr. BlueWolf mentioned in his first paragraph, a fool's errand.
Not true number1..
written by herb, April 29, 2009
It is well documented that "...attacks planned on Los Angeles, the Brooklyn Bridge, as well as others..." were not stopped by torture but by other means of interrogation. In fact, it is agreed upon by viritually all the experts who have tried it, that information obtained that way is completely unreliable because the subject will say whatever he believes will stop the torture.
I think that's pretty much obvious common sense.
I would speculate that people who are pro-torture mostly want to inflict pain on our "enemies" without much regard for whethr it is an effective means of gathering information or not.
Thank you Mr. Bluewolf
written by Donna Christopher, April 29, 2009
for reinforcing the idea that we are a nation of laws and will uphold all Treaties that we have signed and then been ratified by Congress. Congress DID NOT vote for torture nor did they pass any legislation that exempted us from our previous treaties we have signed. We MUST go back and hold those responsible to the rule of law. Lowly enlisted personnel were certainly held accountable for their actions, one served a year and half and the other is still incarcerated. Why are they the only ones (along with Janet Karpinski's demotion in rank) in jail for 'just following orders'? We MUST go back and prosecute the memo writers and those at whose behest the memos were drafted. We MUST go back as it is impossible to prosecute a crime before it has happened. Judge Bybee is quoted as having said "the spirit of liberty has left the republic" when he signed the memo now known as the Bybee Memo. This cabal, along with the former president and vice president must be held to the rule of law - just like those further down the 'food chain' have been.
This Debate Has Moved Beyond Torture To A More Fundamental Issue
written by futhark, April 29, 2009
The issue before us now, which both incorporates and transcends the discussion about prosecution for torture, is whether officers of our government, employed for the purpose of executing the laws of the United States, are privileged to violate those same laws on either whim or perception of expediency and enjoy impunity for doing so. My understanding of the United State Constitution is that the "equal protection under the law" clause in the 14th Amendment implies equal liability for violation of the law. To tolerate wantonly illegal behavior on the part of those we should look to for protection is to invite further infringements on our liberty and encourage a drift toward tyranny.
For those that care.
written by James, May 01, 2009
I only offer this as thought, like the abortion issue we have our own point of view. Without the tenacity of your enemy you are doomed to fail. Thinking otherwise only postpones the inevitable for them or us. To believe those that cut heads off will understand your purity of thought is asinine. History has shown as the bully in school what the outcome will be. Being nice is presumed to be weak and only emboldens them.They say those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. We are in for one hell of a ride.
Would you be saying...
written by purplegirl, May 03, 2009
For those of you saying "let's move on"... I have to wonder if you would say that if your family were the ones being subjected to some of these "torture techniques".

I find it interesting that so many people applauded the Obama team for proclaiming that waterboarding is torture and yet many of these same people have yet to recognize that the Obama team has still allowed the "extraordinary rendition" policy and the "patriot act" to continue on which basically cancels out and makes a mockery of any stand against torture or for justice the Obama team makes. As do any words which are not backed up by action. Until our government gets rid of the loopholes, they are simply providing lipservice to appease the dumb downed masses who are just willing to take the government's "word for it" that things are going to change.

As well, it boggles my mind that so many of us are so quick to put new shoes on our feet to get rid of what we stepped in but we are so unwilling to even try on the shoes of other people and therefore seem to demand one thing of others and another thing from ourselves creating two totally different sets of rules. If it were our people/family tortured, you can bet we would demand not only action but retroactive action. We shouldn't be creating one standard for "us" and another standard for "them" nor should we be creating one standard for one person (just because he was President) and other for the rest of the world. If we are going to hold people to a particular standard, we also need to be held by that standard... no matter who "we" are. I believe, if it was wrong now it was probably wrong then.

Now, am I saying that we need to hold grudges against people who are no longer here to defend themselves, who lived in a different time or place? No. In fact, I believe doing so is a waste of precious time. However, I am saying that we shouldn't sweep something under someone else's rug that we wouldn't sweep under our own rug and if we are going to go after a single living person for torture we need to go after every living person for torture.
We need to wakeup.
written by James, May 04, 2009
This cutting our throats to appease the power whos neck will be on the block in do time. That is and has been the course of action of those in power from trick dicky to now. This blood letting we do has fractured our country, so we hate eachother. That is what this two party system has turned into. The first rule of war is "know your enemy" Let me tell you its us.
reality
written by forty five years, May 08, 2009
To the comments, the next attack will always occur when those being attacked oppress everything that moves to a single idealogy, that US not them. To be on the defenseive must mean one was on the offensive they both exist to complimant each other for those who love to wage attacks on others. One of my favorite old movies is with Gary Cooper, The court marshall of Billy Mitchell.
The games we give our children from design to the hand held remote seem to indicate that killing is the sport of choice and it isolates from reality as the drones I read about almost daily which paunch missles into Pakistan, Afghanistan and other areas or the world. It is the way to indoctrinate young apprentices, one force or another with the US stemming the right by might to boast its superior self on others who ever they be.
Treaties so many made ignored and tossed out because of indifference to the other. It matters not when all one sees is a glimpse in a sound/sight bite on the tube be it you tube or the television tube(digital) of old behaviors, those patterns that acculturate a people to a society or nation state in todays standards. Heck we live in a neo-liberal economic globalization where no matter what you can design/build/grow/or manufacture at home threw this globalization you can not distribute at home. It is the profit of those entities with equal rights as corporations which have no accountable means to prosecute those who make the final decision, that board who exploit the resourses for their own manifest destiny. The rest of humanity is nothing more then fodder, though we think we are free, with brave people who voice a democracy in the last republic I see to establish itself on this planet.

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