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HVLA union workers remain locked out; officials investigate union claims PDF Print E-mail
Written by Elizabeth Larson   
Thursday, 20 November 2008
HIDDEN VALLEY LAKE – A lockout of union employees at the Hidden Valley Lake Association continued on Wednesday, as the association itself issued a rebuttal to flyers the union members have been handing out this week. {sidebar id=107}


At the same time, federal officials are investigating a complaint filed by the union alleging that the association has broken federal labor law by not bargaining in good faith.


The first of the employees were locked out starting this weekend, with the rest of them finding themselves locked out on Monday, as Lake County News has reported.


The dozen and a half union members, represented by Laborers International Union of North America Local 139, continued a protest picket on Wednesday, asking the community for donations of food and toys to help them get through the lockout and the holiday season.


They stood on a corner by Hardester's Market and near the elementary school, dispensing flyers and waving to drivers, many of whom honked in reply.


Union business manager Dave George said they still haven't received any information from HVLA about why it locked out the employees. “It's been the strangest negotiations.”


George and the union maintain that the lockout is illegal, and that HVLA is not bargaining in good faith.


HVLA General Manager Jim Johnson has refused to comment publicly on the situation, and HVLA Board President Don Dornbush did not return a call placed Wednesday seeking comment.


However, on Wednesday HVLA did offer a written rebuttal to the flyers being distributed by the union workers.


The document, which HVLA would only hand out at its office, said that Johnson's place of residence, salary and pension package should not be questioned, and explained he is a Hidden Valley Lake resident who receives no pension from the association.


HVLA's response stated that Johnson has neither “'coerced' nor encouraged union workers,” the majority of which currently make more than the union contract rates.


The association also asserted that they've not suggested those contract rates be lowered, and added that the only HVLA employees who currently have pensions are union workers.


HVLA maintains that it has bargained in good faith throughout the negotiation process, and signed a contract continuance that ended Nov. 14.


According to the rebuttal, the union canceled a contract negotiation scheduled for Nov. 11, Veterans Day.


George told Lake County News on Tuesday that the union planned to file charges against HVLA with the National Labor Relations Board.


Joseph Norelli, the National Labor Relations Board regional director for the San Francisco regional office, confirmed Wednesday that his office had received the filing.


“We are just beginning to investigate this,” Norelli said.


On Nov. 14, the day the bargaining agreement expired, the union filed a charge alleging that HVLA had threatened the employees with a lockout on Saturday because they were at an impasse, according to Norelli.


He was notified by the union's attorney on Saturday morning that the lockout had begun.


Local 139 has alleged the lockout is illegal. For the lockout to be legal, Norelli said HVLA needs to show that they haven't committed unfair labor practices, that they're bargaining in good faith, and have been unable to reach an agreement and so must lock out employees.


“The law gives them that right,” said Norelli, but he said it remains to be seen if this is a legal or illegal lockout situation.


Norelli said he's expediting an investigation into the allegations at the union's request. The investigation could take as long as 49 days, although Norelli said they'll try to get it done faster than that.


The union has requested the labor board seek an injunction in federal district court that would require HVLA to immediately reinstate all of its employees, said Norelli.


That, in turn, could lead to a settlement or litigation before the labor board concerning whether or not the employees would have to be permanently reinstated and “made whole” with the payment of back wages and benefits, he said.


Norelli said Local 139 began filing a succession of charges against HVLA in the late spring.


“We investigated all of those charges and in September we found that there was merit to a number of those charges,” he said, adding that some charges also weren't found valid.


HVLA was found to have made changes in employment terms and conditions without notice or bargaining with the union, said Norelli, which is a breach of labor law.


As required by law, the labor board offered HVLA an opportunity to settle, which they did. That settlement required that HVLA – which didn't admit guilt – agree that they would not repeat the mistake, and would post a notice telling employees of their rights and listing the allegations.


“It's just bringing to everyone's attention that this was done unlawfully without bargaining,” Norelli said of the notice.


HVLA also had to reimburse employees for any losses they suffered which, in this case, were related to changes in the rules about letting employees take home company vehicles, he said.


After the settlement, things appeared to be resolved. “We haven't heard much from them since then until we got a charge late in the day on Friday,” said Norelli.


Norelli said the new charges against HVLA also raise concerns about the association's compliance with the previous settlement, which was reached toward the end of September, and is still in a 60-day notice period.


He said that settlement also required that HVLA not refuse the union relevant information requests about such things as wage levels – which George and Local 139 are alleging HVLA is now doing.


“We have not yet closed this case on compliance,” he said. “They may be breaching the settlement agreement, which would require that this settlement be set aside.”


That would necessitate a new complaint, which Norelli said could lead to a new settlement or to litigation.


George suggested that HVLA's new management may not fully understand its duties in the negotiations process.


An HVLA Board of Directors meeting is scheduled for 6:30 p.m. The lockout is expected to be a topic of discussion.


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wondering if
written by lenny, November 20, 2008
this "Homeowner Association" is in financial trouble....
If so they certainly wouldn't be alone. As it appears, throughout our nation Homeowner Associations are in deep popo...with foreclosures and people unable to pay (compounding the problem), many assoications have begun to cut back on their provisions...i.e. landscaping, roads. And of course many assoications have counted on their banks for help which is no longer there for them.















owners association
the problem is...
written by justjunquies, November 20, 2008
the union , 2 canceled meetings? over the top demands???
Give me a break !!and WHY is this all over 15 employees??? the union will break the back of HVL just like it is doing to the American auto makers.
The union has its place but should not be allowed to financially ruin a business.
Why can't the state of California cut back it's budget by recinding 2 or 3 holidays a year( they now receive 13) for it's employees??? THE UNIONS .......let's get real people....vote OUT the union at HVL.
My business has cut back employees by 15 % AND cut hourly people to 7 hours instead of 8....everyone is having to make sacrifices right now!!! WHY don't the unions????????????????
Union be GONE!!
written by Bartholamui, November 20, 2008
I want to really know what exactly the union is costing the association! I hear people ripping on the GM and board for doing this terrible lockout to our employees...well boo hoo!! I look at it in a different prospective; I appreciate the GM and board for taking a close look into this, seems there some issues that need to be hatched out and HVLA is not backing down to the union, good for them! And us! UNION BE GONE!!! :x
I agree
written by justjunquies, November 20, 2008
From what I hear the GM has ruffled feathers BUT WHO CARES he is doing his JOB. It angers me to no end that the union can spread LIES and HVL can't even respond.Employees are ABOVE union wage......arn't people taking PAY CUTS right now , I know I am.
The union reps are awful awful liars/lawyers......they will drag this out only so far for 15 employees...beware 15 employees they are NOT on your side!! YOU PAY THEM...and for what???? how much do your reps make , how big are their bonuses?????
VOTE THE UNION OUT , you will be better off and have a happier work place....vote them OUT
Read the article!
written by Jon Doe, November 21, 2008
If you read the article, it says union rep Norelli said it remains to be seen if this is a legal or illegal lockout situation. Well then why the hell are your union protesters holding signs that say "illegal lockout" if it remains to be seen if it is? People, be careful when you come across these union folk, they seem to have a lot to say that is negative about HVLA and it's management team, but I see right through their crap! And you should too! Get the facts before you come to a conclusion!
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written by Hwy175, November 21, 2008
I'll bet lamar thinks that the whole thing has something to do with the fact that farm animals are raised on the local school campus, and the high school doesn't have a newspaper.
It remains to be seen
written by nady johnn, November 21, 2008
It remains to be seen if unions across America can survive as our economic situation continues to look bleak and businesses are closing up across America due to the higher cost of living and general expenses of employee wages and benefits. Lockouts are much more common these days for financial reasons, and this looks like the case. That's one way the union can be disbarred, if there is probable cause they pose a burden to the association financially. If these employees want to return to work, they may want to think about jumping ship and abandoning the union. :cry: I doubt during these tough times with the builders and operating engineers unions hurting so bad, that there are jobs available the union can give to these employees during the duration of the lockout. Times are tough for everybody right now.
Another side....
written by What about Humanity?, November 22, 2008
Let's think about this....
What good would it do to intentially put undue financial hardship on a company? After all if the company goes under, the union would lose those union dues right? You think the Unions legal people don't think about that?

Then of course, there is the fact of the employees and their families who suddenly lost their income and ability to pay their bills and buy food. I suppose you wouldn't have a problem with that?

For anyone out there that has worked under a Union contract, how many of you were locked out of your job when the contract expired and how many of you continued to experience the same conditions until a new agreement was reached? What is the humane thing to do?

Read the article again ... I believe it says "Joseph Norelli, National Labor Relations Board Regional Director" and I believe it goes in to say that they have already found HVLA to be in violation of previous charges. It is normal for some cases to be found without merit depending on the level of intimidation by the supervisors.

I am pretty sure that if you were in their shoes, you would want every law that was violated to be enforced. I am sure that you would every dime that they owed you.

In almost every case a worker contacts a Union to organize - not because of the money or benefits - because of the lack of RESPECT. Ask anyone. Salaries and benefits are easy to use as a topic because when you begin speaking of RESPECT it can be taken very personal and the sensitive skinned get defensive. But ask any Union member why they pay their dues.

I am a proud Union Member for life. I have experienced the other side of the coin. I was not always as lucky as you to have a supervisor or employer that cared about my family and my rights more than the almight buck going to theirs.

Give the employees of HVLA and members of this Union a fair shake. They are no different than you. Just having a difficult time as we approach Thanksgiving. Do you really have no compassion?
Don\'t get nasty...
written by What about Humanity?, November 22, 2008
I think it is very inappropriate to bring in names like this. No one deserves that.
Get the facts...
written by What about Humanity?, November 22, 2008
The Union cancelled 1 meeting because the Business Manager was sick. Contrary to what the HVLA Board reports, a letter was sent in prior to the meeting and new dates were requested. I suppose no one else gets sick? Why would the Board fail to mention this? Oh, because it would sound reasonable and not lead to think negatively about the Union....

Why over 15 people? Well why don't you tell me how many there should be before they have the same rights as the rest? 20 - 50 - 100? How many people does there have to be before they deserve the right to report for a job that they have been hired to do? How many does there need to be before they have a right to stand up for what the law says they are entitled to? How many does there have to be before they have a right to feed their families and be respected?

Sure, why don't we give up more... Holidays ... then benefits ... then salaries ... pretty soon our grandchildren can work for free ... just like our ancestors did. Then what? Go through it all again? We all have ancestors that died so that we would have the 8 hour work day, weekends off, overtime, health benefits, retirement, and many other working conditions that I am sure if you were in our shoes, would not consider giving up.

Have you really thought about the impact of what you are speaking? Have you not thought about any one person within the realm of your family that is still young enough to have to survive the working world?

I plea to you to think about these people as human beings who deserve better than the cards they are being dealt. The Union is there to ensure that their rights are upheld.

If the employer was doing the right thing, there wouldn't be anything for the Union to do. Makes sense doesn't it?
Which Employee?
written by What about Humanity?, November 22, 2008
Are you the employee that had to read the Lockout Statement to the workers when they showed up for work at 4:30 a.m. on Saturday and Sunday or at 6:00 a.m. on Monday?

Are you one of the employees that showed up and were told that you would not be allowed to report to work until they consider the $600,000+ that the Golf Course cost in 2007 and the $400,000+ that it has already cost in 2008? The employees have been under a Union contract for 12 years and all of a sudden they should be responsible for this?

Hold them responsible for the wrongful termination lawsuit HVLA recently lost that had NOTHING to do with the Union? Yeah, that's right. They lost a lawsuit for illegal activity filed by a NON-Union member.

There may be 15-16 employees involved here in HVLA, but the Union has hundreds of thousands of members that are right behind them. Don't think for one minute their homework isn't completed every day, their I's are dotted and T's are crossed. They thrive on an employer that is arrogant enough to under estimate them.
The Truth Is.....
written by Employee, November 22, 2008
These guys just want to make waves in HVLA.....they have not got the just cause to make these remarks about the GM without first checking them out.....I hope they are disbannded :roll:
The FACTS:
written by What about Humanity?, November 23, 2008
In a good faith effort, the HVLA employees stood down over the weekend in an attempt to set the stage for a good session in negotiations Monday morning.

The Union notified HVLA prior to the scheduled negotiations that were cancelled due to the illness of the Union Negotiator. For whatever reason, HVLA still sent a representative to the meeting.

In a written proposal dated July 22, 2008, HVLA proposed a 25% across the board cut and 100% elimination of the employers contribution to the pension plan. This has been changed recently to a 4%, 3%, 3% cost of living increase, 100% elimination of the employers contribution to the pension plan and a 20% cut in the employers contribution to the remaining health and welfare contributions. This alone (not including the pension costs) will absorb the cost of living increase and decrease the take home wages.

No matter which way you look at it, when HVLA tells you that a reduction in wages was never offered, that is a lie. If everything was done legally and in the best interest of all, the Union would have NOTHING to say. The employees chose to enforce the right to be represented by the Union. The Union has a responsibility to ensure that they do everything they can. HVLA should be financially responsible and accountable to their homeowners and members to do the RIGHT thing.
With which part?
written by What about Humanity?, November 23, 2008
That the GM spends 3 or 4 nights in HVLA in a home that is rumored to be rented from the attorney representing HVLA?

Or that other people are taking paycuts so we should let the employees be harassed, threatened and violated right here in their own work place?

Or that the employees can be lied to and told that this is happening because of 'ongoing budget deficits' when the Board is reporting that the budget is in the black and doing well. In fact they are preparing for budget cuts in 2009 so that they can move money to spend on expensive remodels and additions to the Admin bldg, restaurant and bar.

You think you have got all the answers? Why don't you ask the right questions?

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