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Written by Darrell Watkins   
Tuesday, 05 August 2008
It walks like an emperor, talks like an emperor, looks like an emperor, and is an emperor. Unfortunately, this emperor doesn't wear new clothes. He parades up and down Clear Lake Riviera’s streets stark naked. He thinks nobody can see.


His name is Clear Lake Riviera Community Association. His letters have official looking letterheads. He uses words like “abatement,” “code enforcement” and “members in good standing.” His envelopes seem legitimate. Board members wear sanctioned titles like “president” and “first vice president.” Some people say they admire his new clothes.


Unhappily for the emperor, a little boy lives in the Riviera. Some people call him the Riviera-Little-Boy. He keeps saying, the emperor is naked. Heads are turning. Everyone is taking another look.


Riviera Caesar isn’t wearing new clothes at all, says the little boy. He's just another nude old dictator who thinks CC&R laws are for homeowners, not him. The little boy has many naked stories to tell.


Riviera-Little-Boy saw President Alan Siegel and First Vice President Sid Donnell violate two-year term limit laws of the Riviera CC&Rs (Article VI, Section 1 of Riviera rules that establishes term limits, “Directors shall be elected for terms of two years and shall serve until their successors are elected and qualified, and not be eligible for re-election after serving a 2-year term until they shall have not been a director for at least one year…” Also, Article VI, Section 5 of the by-laws says, “The board may fill a vacancy by calling for a special election to choose a new director.”). Alan and Sid didn’t call a new election. They didn’t get the approval of the homeowners to break the by-laws. People saw they were naked and they resigned.


The little boy also saw Alan and Sid (along with board members Boone Bridges and Sandra Orchid) amend Riviera CC&Rs without the acceptance of the owners. Their amendments (mailed to the owners in June 2006) weren't approved by the owners but the emperor started enforcement anyway; flagrant violations of Riviera CC&Rs (Article One) and California civil code (section 1355a). One of the unclad sultan’s amendments instituted a wolfish fining policy.


Outside the above laws, the rapacious and plundering emperor devours Riviera widows and single parents like a dragon. His fines are $250 per month if they don't cut Manzanita bushes according to some freakish desires of his bush inspectors. The little boy saw many disadvantaged and poor people crying because they didn’t have money to cut the bushes or pay the unlawful fines. One widow in Los Angeles can’t sleep at night. She can’t figure out how to raise $3,600 required (by one emperor-recommended bush contractor) to trim her chaparral. She had a worried look on her face because she knows live oak grows fast and the emperor orders it cut every year. He saw money pouring out of the savings accounts of Riviera’s elderly and into the pockets of the emperor's brush-cutting contractors.


Riviera-Little-Boy also saw the disrobed kaiser's invalid election of 2008. The emperor showed no respect for California civil codes that govern elections of homeowners associaitons (1363.03a1, 1363.03 a2, 1363.03 a3, 1363.03 a4, 1363.03 a5, 1363.03 a5a, 1363.03 a6c3a, 1363.03 a6c3d, and 1363.03 a6h). He violated nine laws. Also, the emperor’s ballot said four openings, vote for two, when the law says vote for four when openings are four. Most voters only voted for two in a very close election. The boy saw ballots thrown in the trash and heard board members tell owners they couldn't see ballots when laws say they can. People saw all the nakedness of the election. The emperor ordered a new election after consulting his attorney. Unfortunately, the little boy thinks the emperor will break the same laws in a new election and the people will see the same nakedness.


It gets worse. Riviera-Little-Boy saw one elderly lady drive 300 miles to attend the annual meeting described in a 2008 voting package the emperor mailed. The meeting was canceled at the last minute because a crowd of angry homeowners showed up. The law says emperors must notify shareholders in advance when annual meetings are canceled so they don't waste time and money traveling. The emperor didn't care about this law, either. Homeowners who had questions didn't get answers from emperor au natural.


The naked emperor is not above threatening his critics or even the “free press” with strategic lawsuits against public participation (SLAPPs) in an attempt to silence them. He’s breaking another law with his threats and intimidation by burdening them with costs of legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition (California code of civil procedure 425.17). Winning his suit is not the purpose of his threats. His goal is accomplished when the “free press” spikes stories and homeowners succumb to fear and intimidation and abandon their criticism.


Riviera-Little-Boy sees all this injustice and wonders, where's the law? Who’s protecting the loyal subjects from the wicked ruler? Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, he said. The elderly, poor and disadvantaged, are suffering everywhere. The emperor is crossing state lines and using the US mail to collect his atrocious fines of $250 per month, outside laws of his own CC&Rs. The boy says, it’s not “just breaking civil laws” when dishonest business practices cause the elderly to lose large amounts of money. He says anarchy reigns in the Clear Lake Riviera Community Association clubhouse. Sheriff Mitchell, District Attorney Hopkins and Attorney General Brown all have investigation teams. Riviera-Little-Boy thinks they might be friends with the emperor or don’t care. Why don't they make the naked king keep the CC&Rs? “Hire an attorney,” they say. The little boy may hire an attorney. Something must be done to stop the beastly crimes against humanity.


DA Jon Hopkins has a record of investigating and prosecuting anyone in Lake County who takes a relative's credit card and charges $2,000 or $3,000 without permission. That’s a white collar felony. He's extremely concerned when credit card companies lose money. Apparently, he’s not concerned for real people like retired homeowners in the Riviera. How long can he turn his head and pretend he doesn’t see?


There are other stories the little boy could tell. He will, if the emperor doesn't get dressed.


Darrell Watkins has lived in Clear Lake Riviera for 23 years.


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Public Nudity
written by jmadison, August 05, 2008
Aren't there already laws on the books about public nudity? Maybe the Riviera-Little-Boy would stand a better chance if he wasn't an advocate for gay marriage. :wink:
I first learned of
written by Donna Christopher, August 05, 2008
HOA rules and CC&Rs about 30 years ago and at that time wondered what fool would want to buy into that kind of a mindset/neighborhood. Now I know.
The Riviera-Little-Boy is wron
written by JoeCool, August 05, 2008
Watkins, get your facts right! You got most of them wrong. No one is enforcing the 2008 CC&R's. You think you are a great writer but you make no sense. This goes in the category of Who Cares. You made you point over and over again and honestly, no one cares. If you want to do away with the association, why are you running for the association board? So you can spread more lies? You lost and are nothing but a looser. Get over it.
...
written by Judy E, August 05, 2008
smilies/grin.gifirectors shall be elected for terms of two years and shall serve until their successors are elected and qualified...." What part of 'shall serve until their successors are elected and qualified' don't you understand. Since nobody volunteered to run for reelection, the board would have been left without sufficient directors to conduct business. Perhaps that is why the people who wrote the bylaws had the foresight to add that terminology. Since nobody volunteered to run in the regular election, it would have been absurd to hold a special election when there wasn't anyone willing to run.

"The little boy also saw Alan and Sid ... amend Riviera CC&Rs without the acceptance of the owners." Wrong again Darrell. The CC&Rs were not amended as proposed in 2006.Any changes to the CC&Rs proposed in those amendments were not implemented.

"The meeting was canceled at the last minute because a crowd of angry homeowners showed up." A sign was posted at the office the day before the meeting when it was determined that there wouldn't be a quorum to conduct business. The meeting was canceled before any homeowners showed up, angry or otherwise. Unfortunately, the problem developed too late to mail out 2800 notices canceling the meeting.

"One of the unclad sultan’s amendments instituted a wolfish fining policy." The fining policy was implemented in the early 1990's and legal action against CC&R violators was authorized in the original governing documents.

There were errors in the election documents because of changes to State law. When the errors were discovered the election was invalidated and is being done over. You can "think" all you want about the potential of more errors - why don't you wait and see before setting pen to paper.

Anyone arguing against some type of fire abatement program given the current situation in California has their head in the sand. Your neighbor shouldn't be put at risk or lose their insurance because you choose not to clear your property in accordance with County and Association guidelines.

SLAPP provisions were initiated to protect truthful statements from being silenced by misuse of the legal process. The SLAPP provisions do not protect newspapers or individuals from outright lies, defamation and libel of individuals. The absolute defense to libel and defamation of character is the truth. Unfortunately, Darrell does not bother with the validation of any of his allegations before he puts them in print.

I tend to agree with JoeCool, but thought I'd put forth a few facts in the event there are people who read the rants and don't know the truth.

:roll:
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written by Judy E, August 05, 2008
smilies/grin.gifirectors shall be elected for terms of two years and shall serve until their successors are elected and qualified...." What part of 'shall serve until their successors are elected and qualified' don't you understand. Since nobody volunteered to run for reelection, the board would have been left without sufficient directors to conduct business. Perhaps that is why the people who wrote the bylaws had the foresight to add that terminology. Since nobody volunteered to run in the regular election, it would have been absurd to hold a special election when there wasn't anyone willing to run.

"The little boy also saw Alan and Sid ... amend Riviera CC&Rs without the acceptance of the owners." Wrong again Darrell. The CC&Rs were not amended as proposed in 2006.Any changes to the CC&Rs proposed in those amendments were not implemented.

"The meeting was canceled at the last minute because a crowd of angry homeowners showed up." A sign was posted at the office the day before the meeting when it was determined that there wouldn't be a quorum to conduct business. The meeting was canceled before any homeowners showed up, angry or otherwise. Unfortunately, the problem developed too late to mail out 2800 notices canceling the meeting.

"One of the unclad sultan’s amendments instituted a wolfish fining policy." The fining policy was implemented in the early 1990's and legal action against CC&R violators was authorized in the original governing documents.

There were errors in the election documents because of changes to State law. When the errors were discovered the election was invalidated and is being done over. You can "think" all you want about the potential of more errors - why don't you wait and see before setting pen to paper.

Anyone arguing against some type of fire abatement program given the current situation in California has their head in the sand. Your neighbor shouldn't be put at risk or lose their insurance because you choose not to clear your property in accordance with County and Association guidelines.

SLAPP provisions were initiated to protect truthful statements from being silenced by misuse of the legal process. The SLAPP provisions do not protect newspapers or individuals from outright lies, defamation and libel of individuals. The absolute defense to libel and defamation of character is the truth. Unfortunately, Darrell does not bother with the validation of any of his allegations before he puts them in print.

I tend to agree with JoeCool, but thought I'd put forth a few facts in the event there are people who read the rants and don't know the truth.

:roll:
Who Cares?
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 05, 2008
Most everyone cares, Joe, apparently you're one of the few that don't.
Joe Cool
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 05, 2008
..says "why are you a candidate if you want to close it down?" The problem is there aren't enough board members, yet, who're willing to ask the homewoners to close it down or don't know how to ask. The association is no longer associated with the tennis courts, the marina and park on the lake, golf course, bar, or scurity patrols. Now, it's only an old club house that has been turned into a court house filled with injustice. That's why I'm running.
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written by Judy E, August 05, 2008
AMENDED AND RESTATED RESTRICTIONS, CONDITIONS,COVENANTS, AGREEMENTS AND CHARGES CLEAR LAKE RIVIERA, UNITS 1 THROUGH 13
("DECLARATION")
Recorded: January 29,1992
Document #: 92-001756
Official Records of Lake County, CA

XIII - REMEDIES FOR VIOLATIONS
...In any matter or proceeding arising because of any alleged default, breach, or violation of the provisions of this Declaration, including without limitation the Association's decision to transmit a notice of violation or to otherwise involve its attorneys in enforcement activities, the Association shall be entitled to charge, lien and collect under the provisions of this Declaration and to recover from the
subject lot owner all of its costs in enforcing the provisions herein, including without limitation its
reasonable attorneys' fees.

:wink:
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong!
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 05, 2008
Judy E and Joe Cool must live on another planet. Joe not-so-cool and Judy harebrained E say Alan and Sid haven't amended the CC&R's without owner approval. Who do they think have been fining little old ladies some obscene $250 per month!? Where, Judy E, and Joe not-so-cool do the CC&R's permit fining? How many fining violations have your heroes committed against retired widows in the Riviera????? They are enforcing amended CC&R's without the approval of the owners. Hello! Hello! Hello?
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written by Judy E, August 06, 2008
Well Mr. Wolf (Darrell, KrukEdStrait) - Did you look at the date on the Amended CC&Rs? Where were you 16 years ago? Have you researched the appropriate California code relating to timeliness for contesting an election?
Did you research the appropriate California code relating to methods for amending governing documents? Have you researched all of the amendments to the governing documents?
No, not all homeowners welcome the legal system. Check the most recent cases. The Association prevailed. You are right that the Association "may" engage an attorney - may is not mandatory. Of course, when the attorneys get involved the costs increase substantially and the winner may be entitled to attorney's fees. Your "little old ladies" might end up losing much more than the amount of their original fines - if in fact there are any "little old ladies" who have been fined.
And no, I'm not Alan's wife as you and your alter egos are alleging. Another erroneous deduction that you are prone to make and then regurgitate as fact. She has more sense than to engage in useless exchanges with someone who can't get a fact straight when it jumps in his mouth.
Harebrained Judy..
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 06, 2008
..like the rabbit that jumps right into the wolf's mouth she quotes "Amended" CC&R's that were not amended. The owners didn't agree. It gets even better. Then, she quotes the part that says the association may engage an attorney to enforce provisions of the Decalaration (CC&R's). Sorry, Ms whoever you are, but homeowners welcome the legal system. They know they just might get justice when attorneys and judges are involved. When you find the whimsical fining law in the CC&R's,let everyone know. OK? When corporations violate CC&R's they violate California civillaws. When the elderly lose large amounts of money because civil laws are broken, some people might think the corporation officers are committing criminal acts. Don't you think?
Wacky Judy E
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 06, 2008
..or whomever she is. Let's try to figure her out. She seems to say when homeowners don't approve CC&R amendments, they're amended anyway! If that's what she says, then, she is not only harebrained but WACKY. San Quinten is filled with inmates who reason this way. Also, in a mindless delirium she assumes a naked emperor infected with power-tripping sickness would prevail in the legal system. She may be shocked to learn, when the emperor loses in court, he pays fines, costs, and legal fees. Reading her ramble, one is amazed at her acceptance of board members breaking laws and making homeowners obey...Laws are for homeowners, not the naked emperor. Amazing!!! And WHACKY!!!
Way to go Darrell
written by JoeCool, August 06, 2008
You don't like what others say so your stoop to calling names. I guess that makes you a winner!!! :shock: NOT :roll: It makes you look childish and petty. smilies/sad.gif
name calling??
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 06, 2008
Joe not-so-cool seems to have missed grammar school. It's not surprising he's a friend of harebrained Judy E. Harebrained is an adjective describing a proper noun, Judy E. This is not name calling. It's acurately describing someone who thinks like a rabbit. Kruk never said she was a rabbit. That would be name calling. A few more classes Joe, and you will understand.
It\'s about time.
written by JoeCool, August 06, 2008
Thanks Judy E for speaking up. It's about time someone who was knowledgeable spoke up. So many in the subdivision are not informed about the facts, they have been fed poison from Darrell and his cronies for too long. It's about time someone stood up to the bullies and told the truth.
If the association was illegal then why did the judge uphold its ability to enforce the CC&R's at the last litigation?
As for tennis courts, the marina and park on the lake, golf course and bar, when was that ever a part of the association? I thought you had to join "The Club" to use those things. They are still there, just better managed.
We need to ask ourselves, what's in it for them? Are they trying to avoid fines or complying with the law or are they got a much bigger goal in mind like selling a chunk of property to the association for lake frontage? Makes you stop and think.
Grade school
written by JoeCool, August 06, 2008
OOO you got me there. :x :x :x Looks like you were the bully in grade school too. I guess that calling people wacky rabbits is ok. :wink: I suppose that you justify it by talking about your self in the third person, or which one are you? Watkins or Crooked or Streight? :?: :?: :?: Joe Not-So-Cool :lol: :lol: :lol:
Name calling Joe
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 06, 2008
Now joe is a name caller. He condemned name calling for you and me but it's ok for him. He must be a board member. A big bunch of bullies, they think laws are for homeowners, not them. Joe not- so-cool might look up another grammar school word called hypocrisy. One day he will be educated.
crooked darrell watkins
written by jmadison, August 07, 2008
Darrell,
Do you ever feel that no one likes you? After reading your blabbering for years in the Record Bee and now the Lake Co. News I have come to the conclusion that whatever you are for, I am against. Whatever you are against, I am for. You are a racist, sexist,anti-gay biggot who pretends to be a good christian. I could care less about Clear Lake Riviera politics, but I would be willing to say that whatever you say is probably wrong. Get a life.
Name caller
written by fastleft, August 07, 2008
Some of what you say is probably ture, buy if it did'nt come from the mouth of a nut( see leeters to the Record Bee )
then people might tend to agree with you or at least try to understand your points. Same for James! Yes i do name call!! :lol:
Probably True..
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 07, 2008
..buuuuuut, fastleft and jmadison don't like Kruk! Even if what he says is probaly true. Amazing! Perhaps they don't know it but they are saying they prefer liars. They're also saying they don't like Kruk's opinions against bloody abortion clinics, homosexual sins, and unruly kids in families and public schools. Of course, they hate Kruk's campaign for creationism and the Ten Commandments. Perhaps they don't know every human must make these kinds of choices before the great and terrible Judgement Day that's rapicly approaching.
God
written by fastleft, August 07, 2008
People like you with your fire & brimstone, god hates fags,the end is near, beat your kids to make them good kids,If you don't think like me or beleave in the god i beleave in your going to HELL< HELL< HELL! Geez it's a wonder that anybody beleaves in god after what people like you have done to god over the years. The god i beleave in is full of love and caring for all people,even people like you who HATE HATE HATE!When you die god will know what's in your soul, he will not care if your gay, or did not go to church, or you are not a christian, but a buddist or muslim. What's important Mr. Watkins is what's in your heart, your soul, not that you followed the words of a book that has been screwed with by people like you over the years.Try having a little bit of compation for your fellow humans, i know god does! :wink:
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written by Judy E, August 07, 2008
I am happy to see other people, regardless of their interest in the Riviera, address this spiteful, lying, deceitful individual. His continuing screeds never address facts or issues in a civil manner, just a continuous output of bile. And he has the nerve to call someone else a hypocrite when his every response to opposing opinions is an ad hominem attack. I'm afraid that asking this man to have compassion for anyone is a waste of breath. And Darrell, having the brain of a hare is better than having no brain at all. As for your judgment day, I don't think good people have anything to fear, I think it's people like you that should be afraid.
???
written by fastleft, August 07, 2008
I have no idea what you are trying to say ( weeing or gnashing) but again you make God sound scray and mean! Thou should not judge so much, i beleave that's in the bible Mr. Watkins and you do it all the time. The big problem in this world is the far left(not me) and the far right (you). what we need now is a little of both. Sorry i did not mean to judge who you are :lol:
Foot- in-mouth Judy E
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 07, 2008
..can't seem to get it out. First, she quotes amended CC&R's that haven't been amended. Then, she gets the judicial process mixed up with star-chamber fining policies. Finally, she has upset her entire boat and fallen into waters infested with the sharks of bloody abotion clinic purveyers and militant homosexual activists. She'll soon be chanting down with the Ten Commandments and long live Darwin to fit in. When the evil predators circle closer and closer, she'll probably think she's more and more popular. Like the rabbit, she doesn't know she's on the menu.
No right or wrong
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 07, 2008
Fastleft has really gone left, fast. There's no truth, he seems to say. Nobody is right or wrong. No doubt, he votes for liberal democrats. There will be no weeping and gnashing of teeth or dry mouths as the unquenchable fire approaches. There will be no banquets and celebrations for the righteous. Everyone should do what's right in their own eyes.
Who said what?
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 07, 2008
Left-fast thinks Kruk said "weeping and gnashing of teeth." He thinks that's scary. He's right about the scary part but Kruk didn't say it. On judgment day there're two doors. One is to "immortality" and the other to "everlasting shame and contempt." Kruk didn't say those scary words, either.
Sheesh
written by John, August 07, 2008
Get a room
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written by jmadison, August 08, 2008
Darryll,
Do you have any fans out there? Has ANYONE ever supported any of your ideas? Which ever "door" you enter on judgement day, you will be awful lonely once you get there. Let us know what god thinks about all your endless lecturing and blabbering. I'm interested to know if God will change once you set him right.

Quit referring to yourself in the 3rd person all the time. You really appear to put yourself up on a pedestal.
Popular jmad
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 08, 2008
jmadison says he's more popular than Kruk and doesn't want to enter the political process by debating. Apparantly, he's afraid he doesn't know anything.
...
written by jmadison, August 09, 2008
Apparently, you don't know how to spell 'apparently.'

Everyone is more popular than you. Do more of the comments above agree with me or you? Count them.
Which debate am I afraid to enter into? I wasn't aware that you were challenging me.
In his own mind perhaps
written by John, August 09, 2008
Perhaps in his own mind he's on some pedestal. To my mind that third person stuff comes off more like murmurings from a padded cell.
What debate?
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 10, 2008
jmad is replying to letters on the opinion page of a news source and doesn't know he's in a debate. Obviously, he's harebrained like his friend JudyE. It also shows he doesn't even read the opinion letters. He just likes to hear himself write and likes to be popular. He doesn't give a rat's @^$%& about righteousness or wickedness.
...
written by jmadison, August 10, 2008
I'm waiting to hear if there is anyone out there that supports you. You could at least have your wife write in that she agrees with you. You might have to pay her, but whatever it takes.
popular jmad
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 11, 2008
..jmad just can't get popularity off his mind. He's celebrating because he's well liked and approved of more than Kruk. He doesn't know he's just another popular high school girl who gets dated a lot; unlike the girl with values who stays home on Saturday night. He never stops to think about right or wrong and can't even debate the simple issues that appear on opinion pages. He enjoys popularity!
Deep end
written by JoeCool, August 11, 2008
It looks like Watkins is going off the deep end. I'm not sure he knows what he believes. He doesn't sound like any Christian I know. I wonder what church he goes to, it would be interesting th hear what his pastor's remarks would be on his responses in this thread. Only God knows his heart and thankfully He will be the Final Judge but it appears that it's too bad he is giving true Christians a bad name.
Joe not-so--cool says
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 11, 2008
...God knows and he will be the final Judge. Kruk agrees. Kruk is against the bloody purveyers of abortion clinics, evilution, homosexual sins, unruly kids in families and public schools. He's for Creationism, the Ten Commandments, and prayer in public schools. Let Joe take his Darwinism to the Judge on Judgement Day. God doesn't believe in evilutionists.
Crooked
written by jmadison, August 12, 2008
Darryll,
Joe asked you what church you go to. Can you answer?
In our writings above, where do we say we are anti creation, anti 10 commandments, anti school prayer, pro unruly kids in families and public schools? You're the one that can't stick to the original debate. My original statement to you stated that it is hard to believe what you say about the Riviera CC&Rs, especially since all your past editorials bring out your racism and sexism.
What do you think about women? Are they equals to a man of your great caliber? How about Mexicans?
Jmad the proctologist
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 12, 2008
..OMG, Jmad wants to be a proctologist and make his oponents bend over for an inspection before he'll debate. Sorry, Jmad, we decline the offer. Jmad also wants everyone to think he, like Kruk, is for creationism, the Ten Commandments, school prayer and against unruly kids in families and public schools. Readers know he's not. If he believed in those values he'd be a friend of Kruk.
...
written by jmadison, August 12, 2008
Sorry, I thought questions were allowed in a debate. You never asked me about my views on god,creation, 10 commandments, school prayer... You seem to make assumptions about me and others. You seem to think that those that disagree with you are doomed to hell. I'm not sure where you get your credentials to lead the crusade against the godless. That is why I asked you about your religion.
I don't want to piss you off because I know that hard line fundamentalists like to blow things up, anywhere from abortion clinics to World Trade Towers. Please leave room for other opinions.
Talkative Kruk
written by Judy E, August 13, 2008
While you are busy searching your Bible for passages to support your prejudiced opinions, why don't you check out "The Pilgrim's Progress," where the protagonist Christian dismisses the faith of a man called "Talkative" because his faith is just words. "The Soul of religion is the Pracktick part: Pure religion and undefiled, before God and the Father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the World. This talkative is not aware of; he thinks that hearing and saying will make a good Christian;...Talking is not sufficient to prove that fruit is indeed in the heart and life; and let us assure ourselves, at the day of Doom, men will be judged according to their Fruit: It will not be said then, Did you Believe? but were you Doers or Talkers only? And accordingly shall they be judged. The end of world is compared to the harvest; and you know men at harvest regard nothing but fruit."


Think about it. :idea: :?:
jmad the creationist
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 13, 2008
..Sorry jmad, real Christians won't believe your claim to be a creationist. Real Christians not only do, but must also teach. You now say you're a creationist but no one has heard you teach the follies of evilution. You must know there're many athiests and Darwanists who read this news outlet. You could do a lot to help the lost. However, you might be attacked in the process. Count the cost before you do. Sometimes, it's like throwing pearls to a pig. Pigs don't know you're trying to give them something valuable and will try to harm you in their rage.
Hope for JudyE?
written by Kruk Ed Strait, August 13, 2008
It appears Judy has been recently reading Pilgrims Progress and the Bible. If she has, there's hope. It's disturbing, however, when she aims talkative spears at Kruk when she should aim thenm at his enemies; like Jmad. He talks the creation talk but walks the Darwin walk. He, and others like him, are John Bunyan talkatives. Kruk walks the creation walk and takes the heat. Judy might find her problem in the way she reads CC&R's.
Enemies?
written by jmadison, August 14, 2008
Enemies? Darryll, you are one wacked out freak. I guess I have an enemy now. By the way, I never said one word about creation vs Darwin. Why would I, you freak? That is just something you always bring up in your multiple other debates with so called "sinners." But if you need to know, Yes, I believe Darwin's ideas about how men were created or evolved are much more accurate than the Bible's. AH HA! You exposed me as a sinner. I guess you must also be right about The Riviera's CC&Rs. Now you can go back to blowing up abortion clinics.

By the way, there is a simple pronoun, the word 'I'. It saves time and doesn't make you sound like an imbecile. Try it sometime. eg) "Honey, I'm home." vs. "Honey, Kruk is home."

Now, onto other debates. Who are you voting for you moron? Maybe you can help sway voters AWAY from your party, once they see the type of people it attracts.

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