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City retirees raise concerns over health care benefits PDF Print E-mail
Written by Elizabeth Larson   
Thursday, 05 June 2008
LAKEPORT – City retirees took their concerns over a potential cost change to their health care benefits to the Lakeport City Council on Tuesday.


The issue surrounded the question of what portion of a retiree's health care premiums the city should be required to pay, and if it should once again cover a benefits surcharge added for retirees in the 2006-07 fiscal year.


About a dozen city retirees and current employees attended the meeting because of the issue, including retired Police Chief Tom Engstrom, who just celebrated the third anniversary of his retirement.


Engstrom said this was the third year he'd come to the council due to his concern about the benefit changes.


“I don't know why we discuss it every year,” he said. “I think we should just pay it.”


Lakeport's contract with employees states that the city is not required to pay more for health care premiums for retirees than it is for active employees, said City Attorney Steve Brookes.


That provision, he said, was first adopted in a memorandum of understanding dated July 1, 1998, and is included in the city's comprehensive retiree health care rules.


The original idea, he said, was to prevent someone from upgrading to a higher-coverage plan shortly before retirement, which would cost the city more to cover than when the person was working.


Beginning in the 2006-07 fiscal year, the Redwood Empire Municipal Insurance Fund (REMIF), who oversees a health care insurance plan for member cities, added a surcharge on the premiums charged for retirees because of their higher costs to the system, said Brookes.


The surcharge currently amounts to 15 percent, or $124 a month for two people, $59.51 for a single person and $209.71 for a family. The cost to pay it for all 36 retirees is just under $25,000, according to Brookes' staff report.


The rationale behind the surcharge, his report said, was to moderate the “disproportionate amount” of the health care premium used by retirees.


The quality of the city's health benefits have helped attract and retain staff, Brookes' report said. His report also noted that costs to maintain retiree health benefits have become “increasingly costly.”


Estimated costs for health care premiums in the next fiscal year budget are $742,000, or $370,000 for 37 active staff, $50,000 for the five council members and $322,000 for the 36 retirees, Brookes reported.


The surcharge has raised concerns for retirees, who say they were guaranteed 100-percent health care coverage during retirement, which was a primary reason for working for the city. Brookes' report challenged the idea that staff who retired after 1998 weren't aware of the changes.


For the last two years the city chose to pick up the surcharge added to employee premiums, but the issue made its way back to the council again this year.


And, once again, Engstrom stepped forward to argue on behalf of retirees like himself.


When Engstrom was hired in the early 1990s, he was guaranteed 100-percent medical coverage, he told the council. It was an important benefit, he added.


As a department head, he wasn't involved in the negotiations on the 1998 memorandum of understanding, he said. It wasn't until Randy Johnsen was hired as city manager in 2001 that department heads sat in on negotiations.


The result, he said, was he didn't even know what the memorandum said about benefits or the changes to them.


Engstrom said he and his wife have stayed in the community for a variety of reasons, with the quality of health benefits being an important factor.


“I would ask the council to do what you've done in past years and continue to pay that portion,” he said.


City Councilman Bob Rumfelt said he felt it wasn't right to change the rules on retirees, and that they should be given what they worked hard for and deserved.


“My feelings are, we just need to bite the bullet and pay it,” he said of the surcharge.


Mayor Buzz Bruns agreed, saying he always had held the same opinion regarding retiree benefits.


City Manager Jerry Gillham questioned the memorandum of understanding's original intent. He said it didn't seem logical to him that any entity would guarantee health insurance to retirees in perpetuity.


Engstrom told Gillham he wasn't asking for special consideration, and that if it was required he would pay the extra $124 per month.


But based on his original understanding of his benefits, Engstrom said he believed he had been promised total coverage. “When I was hired, everything was done on a handshake.”


That handshake agreement included a guarantee of a 100-percent medical coverage for he and his wife until Medicare kicked it, when the city would then offer them supplemental coverage, Engstrom said.


“It doesn't go on forever, Jerry,” he said in response to Gillham's comment about benefits being extended in perpetuity.


City officials said that the benefits have changed for newer employees, who – if they were hired in recent years – are aware of the benefit cap.


Mayor Pro Tem Ron Bertsch, himself an early retiree, said the city shouldn't take away benefits from people who have worked a long time to get them. Like Rumfelt, he suggested the city “bite the bullet” and pay now, but address the issue for future retirees.


Rumfelt moved to approve paying the surcharge and adding language to update the retiree health rules to settle the issue for current retirees.


Bertsch seconded the motion, with it passing on a 3-1 vote, with Councilman Jim Irwin voting no. Councilman Roy Parmentier was absent from the meeting.


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well...
written by smurf, June 05, 2008
I have a solution for you Mr. Engstrom, you can earn the $124 per-month the city is paying extra for you and your wife every month by solving the La Forge case your departmant bungled.
If they changed the rules and you don't like them then get them to change them, but griping a decade after the change and only when they apply to you is pretty typical-government doesn't matter until it affects you.
I've worked hard all my life and I can't get health insurance even if I could afford it, as I'm self employed and have too many pre-existing conditons like a lot of other folks around here, so your boo-hooing about paying a little more for full coverage health care doesn't play well with me and probably a lot of other folks as well.
Don\'t be an ingrate
written by Donna Christopher, June 05, 2008
anybody with a government gig has had a nice career with decent pay and lots of benefits (one of which is early retirement). If you have to kick in some to maintain those very nice perks -Do It and Shut UP!! And be damn glad you got coverage at all. I'm in the same holey boat as smurf - health care is just not available to some and frankly we get sick of people who piss'n'moan about having to kick in a bit for theirs
dont know where
written by taxismom, June 05, 2008
else to post this:
Jim Irwin is running for a spot on
clearlake riviera homeowners assoc :shock:
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written by Magnum, June 05, 2008
Talk about piss'n'moan... You guys are mad a people for having a good career and making good money...You guys have issues, maybe if you guys didn't bitch so much, which I am sure you have done your whole lives, you might have something to show for it now.
Single Payer the Only Way
written by allen, June 05, 2008
If we end up getting a National Health Insurance bill passed, it still will be very expensive. We need to cut the health insurance companies out of the picture and institute a National Single Payer plan which is not for profit.
Divide and Conquer All Over Ag
written by chacote, June 05, 2008
I'm not chacote, but am taking this opportunity to comment.
This is another example of the way our society pits one group of slaves against another, the workers who have benefits with their government jobs, and the self-employed or marginally employed who don't.
City/county/government employees may have "good" benefits, but they pay their dues for it.
Try working for the public sector for a few years as I did. The stress level is beyond belief. You're doing the work of two or three people, because vacant positions aren't filled, thereby "saving" departments money.
Programs are run half-assed because there isn't enough staff to do it properly. New employees are tossed out there with little or no training, and get to bear the brunt of the angry public, who think all government employees are a bunch of lazy bureaucrats pushing pencils around.
Public sector employees NEED those benefits/meds, etc. to prop them up and keep them going so they can continue to take abuse from the public.
That said, I'm "retired" (read, unemployable because no employer wants to pay benefits for someone so :lol: close to 65) and living on a small pension and savings. Private insurance is unavailable at any price. Gee, once I've used up my savings then I can go apply for Medi-Cal and get "full coverage" (read, become a cash cow for the medical system).
When people around me start griping about the premiums they have to pay, I try not to get mad, knowing that there's a negative aspect to most of the jobs that offer "good" benefits. The benefits are the enticement, and you end up needing them to deal with the stress!
So let's stop sniping at each other and work towards the single payer system.[removed]emoticon(":lol:"smilies/wink.gif
Good posts Allen and person
written by Donna Christopher, June 05, 2008
not Chacote. Hey magnum, you assume that just cause someone was not public employee that they didn't work hard and have a good career. Private sector does not provide the cushy landing in retirement land that public service does. Government gigs are a good gig no matter how annoying it can be - no one is forced into those job (at least since they ended the draft :wink: ). Now we all can't work for the government. The problem with health care is not only cost but the pre-existing conditions exclusions. Had a good gig, with nice benefits. My mistake was actually using them - its called a pre-existing condition. That means NO INSURANCE. We have to get to single payer. And pulleeeze, I don't want to hear how the government will screw up health care. Especially from anyone that is getting VA, Medicare or their premium paid for cause they had a government job. And I don't want to hear you may have to wait. First of all, most times you call a doc you don't get an appt immediately anyway and I'd rather be on a list to get treatment than to be on the list I'm on now, the s@*# list.
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written by Magnum, June 05, 2008
Donna...Private sector gives the exact cushy landing as public sector does...you just need to plan ahead. I know many people form teh private sector who planned right and were able to have a great retirement. They didn't expect someone else to do it for them. they didn't cry because someone else had more than them. Do you think that the people in the public sector don't pay into their retirement? of course they do. Do you think that the public sector don't have to pay any inot there health care? Wake up.
Magnum, have you heard
written by Donna Christopher, June 05, 2008
the saying that God laughs when we make plans. Our letter perfect plan hit a massive heart attack/quad bypass but went back to work to the amazement of the cardiologist. Six years later, having the outsourcing of the high tech job was the cherry on top. Never been a dead beat, ain't asking for no freebies. Only asking for a place at the table, an opportunity to buy into some type of plan. Public sector jobs are usually union (job protection) - private sector jobs are rarely union. Your position that they have the same cushy landing is not based in equity or fact.
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written by tom, June 06, 2008
Donna,

As for long waits for medical care with Single Payer, I'm not worried about a few weeks waiting for a doctor visit. I'm worried about waiting six months for a CAT scan. In Vancouver, Canada, where they have government funded National Health Care, there are two CAT scan machines for a population of over one million and a wait of six months - You could be dead by then. In Santa Rosa/Rohnert Park there are 5 machines for a population of around 350,000 (Sonoma County) and a wait of less than a week. National Health is especially dangerous for people over 60, who use expensive major proceedures at a much higher rate and more often than the general population.
Check into a major hospital of any large northern US border city. There are lots of private-pay Canadians using those US hospitals because they don't want to die waiting their turn for scarce resources in Canada. If we do National Health, we need to get it right. How to do that when we spend $ one billion a week in Iraq? Even our mighty economic engine can't pull that hill. Pray for a miracle - or peace.
Tom, you do realize
written by Donna Christopher, June 06, 2008
that I find it preferable to die while on a waiting list than to die because I can't get care because I can't get insurance? You do realize that if you have insurance the fee for the CAT scan you mentioned is greatly reduced as compared to someone without insurance - those that can afford it the least get dinged the most. Most whole-heartedly agree with you that our unprovoked war is killing this country in more ways than one (don't forget the dumbass tax cuts)- yes, we must "get it right" - and I'm greedy, I'm praying for miracles and peace :wink: The VA seems to work, Medicare seems to work and Congress' plan seems to work. Again not asking for a freebie, just an equitable way for all to get treatment.
Work
written by CobbMt, June 06, 2008
When I went working for the State back in 1985 I was paid about 10 dollars per hour. Now this same job pays roughly 40 dollars per hour.
In 1985 I bought a nice home in the best part of town for 120k. That same home is now, even with the collapse in RE prices worth 500k.
The State work was DIGNIFIED POVERTY, and I have seen many folks with more than me working half drunk for wineries.
But I had an education - and graduate school, and could look and act presentable. I did this for the benefits, as my father who went through the depression told me. The piece that those folks are paying in Lakeport is not great, but it is fair. The State has gone up much higher, as well as the local Counties.

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