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Board of Supervisors gives Cristallago development the green light PDF Print E-mail
Written by Elizabeth Larson   
Wednesday, 03 March 2010
LAKEPORT – More than four years after the proposal for the Cristallago housing and resort development came onto the scene, the Board of Supervisors voted 3-2 to give the project the go ahead.


The vote – with Supervisors Anthony Farrington and Denise Rushing voting no – came after six hours of public testimony and board discussion.


As the testimony stretched farther into the evening, Farrington – who said he didn't agree with the project having larger residential density than resort units – offered alternatives for changing the project.


The development, slated to be built on 860 acres along Hill and Scotts Valley roads in north Lakeport, is proposed to have 650 homes, 325 resort units – including a hotel – plus an equestrian center, parks, a commercial development, conference center, spa and an 18-hole Jack Nicklaus signature golf course.


When Cristallago Development Corp. partner Matt Boeger said they believed they had reduced the residential component – which his team said was necessary to support the tens of millions of dollars necessary to build the resort's amenities – as far as they could to remain viable, Farrington said he wouldn't support the project.


Farrington had debated the project's financial projects with Boeger and his development team during the testimony.


They disclosed that the $47 million in estimated spending that the resort would bring in wouldn't be gross resort revenues but would be realized throughout the larger community.


Richard Warfel of Economics Research Associates, who explained the resort's financial makeup to the board, said Cristallago must be “affordable” and “family friendly,” with a golf course needed to attract visitors.


When Rushing pointed to the developers' own letters on the resort that referred to it as a “high-end destination resort,” Warfel said that, compared to the current resort stock in Lake County, it will be high end, but it will be “mid-market” compared to Pebble Beach or other world-class resort facilities.


Bob Rumfelt, a Lakeport City Council member, was one of the first people to the microphone during public comment to express support.


He read a letter from his colleague on the council, Roy Parmentier, who urged the board to give the project the go ahead. “The time to act is now,” Parmentier's letter concluded.


John Lee, who lives next door to the proposed project, said it was the kind of thing he had moved to Lake County to avoid. “I simply do not believe this type of project is the future of Lake County.”


Lakeport resident Nancy Ruzicka said there is nothing happening in the community right now, and development is needed.


“I guess I'm saying I think this would be a good project and you should give it a go,” she said.


Norm Ihle, another Lakeport resident who has consistently voiced concerns with the project, said he was concerned that the project isn't taking advantage of Clear Lake, now that the Marina at Lyons Creek component of the project is off the table. That land is in foreclosure.


Ihle also raised issues with serpentine soils in the area, saying he doubted second homebuyers would flock to a development where there were serious concerns for asbestos contamination.


Finley resident Phil Murphy said the board had several choices, including having the courage to not accept the project and explain why the new general plan shouldn't be disregarded.


The most difficult choice, he said, would be to accept the plan as it is and have to explain to the community how far out of compliance the plan is with planning rules.


Melissa Fulton, who lives next door to the proposed project area, said she supports it. Fulton, who also is chief executive officer of the Lake County Chamber of Commerce, said the chamber voted a few years ago to support it and a week ago they decided to continue their support.


Fulton said the county has been in economic distress for a long time, and that it was time to take a different approach.


Clearlake Oaks resident Chuck Lamb called Cristallago a “travesty.” He pointed to the drop in golf's popularity, and said he had researched a number of golf courses, many of them in forfeiture and all of them Jack Nicklaus signature courses.


Lamb pointed out that Boeger owes $1.4 million in back taxes on the marina property – which county records show already was in tax arrears when he purchased it several years ago – and asked why the board would approve a project with zoning changes and a general plan amendment for someone who doesn't pay his back taxes.


In addition, he accused Boeger of stripping the water rights out of the marina property and giving them to another organization before letting the land go into foreclosure. “This is the type of individual we're dealing with.”


Victoria Brandon, representing the Sierra Club Lake Group, said the No. 1 question before the board was whether the project was consistent with the general plan, which she asserted it wasn't.


“We can't count on this to pull us out of the current economic slump,” she said, adding that it was very possible the project could turn into another paper subdivision.


“The whole thing seems to be very old-fashioned,” Brandon said, adding that golf course developments were popular in the 1970s and 1980s. A county-commissioned marketing plan, which was completed in 2002 and pushed a golf course development, came at the tail end of that old way of thinking, said Brandon.


“This project, if approved, will shoot holes in our general plan,” she said.


At recent community blueprint meetings Brandon said area residents support community growth boundaries. She said development should fit “the genius of a place,” and cited the Tallman Hotel in Upper Lake as an example.


Farrington asked her why the Sierra Club had supported a golf course project at Langtry Estate and Vineyard a few years ago, which was outside of the community growth boundary. He called that project “a Trojan horse.” Brandon said Langtry had the water and the money to convert the irrigated pasture.


Supervisor Jim Comstock said the Langtry project had “a large residential component planned from the beginning,” and that the company wants to do its own resort.


Comstock said to think they were going to build a golf course without the residential component was “ludicrous.”


“Excuse me, but then we were lied to as a board,” said Rushing, recalling that winery officials had stated that the golf course was merely to draw wine buyers. The board ultimately supported the project.


County Counsel Anita Grant warned that they were getting off topic. Farrington said he just wanted to understand the different rationale between supporting one project and not the other.


“Supervisor Comstock said we were duped,” said Rushing. Comstock replied that he wasn't saying that.


“Excuse me, seriously,” said Grant, putting them back on topic.


David Nelson, one of Boeger's attorneys, said the project's main inconsistency was its location outside of the community growth boundaries. However, based on the general plan, Nelson said the project can stretch outside of those boundaries if it's part of a resort or a planned development.


He said no project can satisfy every part of the general plan, but the development team believed the board could safely find for the project. “We think that the facts are there,” Nelson said.


Board members explain positions


At around 6 p.m public comment was closed and it was the board's turn to weigh in.


Noting he's lost sleep over the project, Supervisor Jeff Smith said the county needs mixed use projects, because resorts alone can't survive year-round. He wanted to make sure, however, that the project's water and sewer issues were worked out.


Comstock said Hidden Valley Lake has been a positive project for Lake County, with its golf course drawing visitors from out of county.


He agreed with Smith that Cristallago would be positive. “This is the dream, this is what we want.”


Rushing said she found herself “wanting to believe,” especially at a time when the county is desperate for jobs and tempted to take any promise.


She said the project has certain assumptions for the future, including the same growth rates as before.


However, she noted, “We were told something pretty significant today” about the resort not being high-end but being primary for families with a focus on affordability.


Regarding comparison made to Hidden Valley Lake, Rushing said that community has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the county.


In the future, she said, “resources are going to be limited,” and homes may cost more. She suggested in the future authenticity will matter, and she also pointed to unique properties like the Tallman Hotel.


In any version of the future, Rushing said sprawl isn't an option, nor is “creating a new city outside of an existing city center.”


She concluded, “I can't support the project as it exists.”


Farrington asked County Administrative Officer Kelly Cox for his input.


Cox said when the board adopted the marketing plan in 2002, it gave staff marching orders to attract a project like Cristallago. He said the development's location is entirely a land use issue, up to the planning commission and the supervisors.


“Until the board changes that plan, that's what we're instructed to implement,” said Cox.


He added, “And I don't support a Lowe's there or anywhere else in Lake County.”


That was a reference to comments made last Thursday by Clearlake City Council members, who took a guest commentary Cox wrote for the Santa Rosa Press Democrat and quoted it out of context, giving the impression that Cox supported the city's Lowe's project.


Farrington said he's met with people on both sides of the project, and he's concerned about being consistent.


He said at first Boeger and his partner, Mark Mitchell, wanted just to build homes at the site, but Farrington suggested they bring it the golf course component – a golf course had been approved on the site for a previous project – and add an equestrian center and wine tasting component.


Still, he said he struggled with the fact that the subdivision had a higher residential component, which is inconsistent with the general plan. He said he didn't believe there should be a misunderstanding on that point, and that he had been “crystal clear” about the need to adjust Cristallago's densities.


Farrington said the project could easily find its way onto a ballot measure if enough people don't agree with the board's decision. He noted during the meeting that constituents have communicated that they're ready to take such an action.


Instead he offered a compromise. “My desire is to shape this project. My desire is to have the community shape this project.”


If the developers were willing to work with him, he suggested that they could possibly shave off $10 million to $12 million in costs if a full water plant upgrade wasn't needed. To reach that goal, Farrington suggested they reduce the number of homes from 650 down to between 135 and 300.


He said that the county's north Lakeport area plan is badly flawed and needs to be scrapped, and if the developers wanted to push for greater densities they should take part in the process for that new area plan.


Addressing the various issues brought up during the discussion, Supervisor Rob Brown said asbestos has always been a problem, and that the general plan is a document that gets amended often.


“We have to do things that will allow for some level of development,” he said.


The father of five said his worst fear is that his children will have to leave the county because there is no opportunity here.


Adding that he thinks people are afraid unnecessarily, Brown said, “I think it's a good project and I think it will be good for Lake County.”


Boeger said he had not come away from previous discussions with Farrington with an understanding that there had to be a “one to one” ratio of residential and resort in the development.


He said he's been told by many other developers that his densities are too low.


In order to support the resort's amenities, Boeger said that if they only had 300 homes they would have to sell them for about $900,000 each.


He said Tuesday was the 1,629th day he's worked on the project. “We're not in a position to wait around another year for the north Lakeport plan process,” he said. “If that's where we're going then that's it.”


“I wanted to support this, I really did,” Farrington said. “Consistency and keeping my word is important.”


Smith, who said he and Farrington have talked about the project, said he was “a little bit shocked” at Farrington's decision, and suggested they take a few weeks in order to give him more time to consider the numbers.


Farrington thanked Smith for his consideration. He said he chose not to meet with the developers for about a year because he wanted to be insulated from influence, and that was his approach, whether fellow board members liked it or not.


“None of you guys need to know what I'm doing,” he said.


Brown said he didn't understand why Farrington was so defensive. Farrington replied that they were giving him no choice. Brown said no one was saying that.


Farrington said he knew the project “inside and out,” and felt there was a lot of fuzzy math.


Brown offered the resolutions to amend the general plan amendment, rezone and general plan of development. All of the motions passed 3-2, with Farrington and Rushing voting no.


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Farrington Fuzzy Math
written by sweet mystaery, March 03, 2010
I find it very interesting that Supervisor Farrington would not support the potential job opportunity, of 670 direct jobs and several hundred indirect jobs for the difference of the "impacts of a mere 143 housing units over the next twenty years". Fuzzy math- let's see! 650 residential units (nothing fuzzy about that) minus 28% vacancy, coincidently that has been the County's vacancy rate for the last 30 plus years (nothing fuzzy about that) = the impact of 468 housing units (nothing fuzzy about that). Then he wants you to subtract the resorts 325 units (nothing fuzzy about that) because he wants the residential units to have an equal impact; so if you deduct 325 resort units from the 468 units you get WOW 143 units (nothing fuzzy about that). So for the difference of the "impacts" of 143 units we are denied the best project that has ever or will ever hit Lake County. So, where is the this Fuzzy math? Impacts of 143 units ...EIR study.. traffic impacts calculated at 0% vacancy residential rate, and vacancy rate for the units was calculated at 5%. YIKES, it is well documented in the report that the actual vacancy rate is, and has been, 28% for thirty years. WOW !!! I was really worried about not finding those FUZZY MATH numbers.. glad Mr. F pointed that out.


Oh, here are some more, now our community is now denied 40,000 visitors,( $4M tourist dollars) per year, $75M in total sales, not have its image changed, which has been the goal and the staff direction for 8 years, with quality development. County will not get $800,000 TOT from the resort (let's see didn't the County just lose its biggest TOT generator namely the Konocti Resort along with 660 jobs), again (no fuzzy math there). Can you believe any developer, in his right (versus left) mind will ever go through what Matt Boeger has gone through. And all Matt was trying to do was to implement the Board's policy direction for 8 years (as the Board was reminded during the hearing, by its " World-Class" County Administrator ..Kelly Cox). No Mr. F couldn't have been on the Board and voted for that 8 years ago... let's see would that be fuzzy math or a fuzzy mind.

The County is also cutting jobs for long time, loyal, and hard-working employees. Mr. F, when those employees are in front of you and you look them in the eye and say "this is all because "I" think "I" know better than the best consultants in the country, that "I" selected and "I" approved their reports and finally because of my superior intellect "I", all of the sudden, don't think they knew what they were doing...... incidentally, just where is the last " fuzzy math" guy now.

Oh my goodness, it couldn't be the same guy that has "so clearly" demonstrated the "globe is warming".

Com'on Lake County.... let's support our "World-Class" County Administrator....not our politicians!!!!
All warm and fuzzy
written by kd006, March 03, 2010
Sweet Whatever,

What are you honking about it's a done deal now! So what Farrington used the term Fuzzy Math, who cares.

Now on to the real deal, you say 28% vacancy rate! Goodness lots of hotels would love to call that home to mom, try 87% vacant, I know that was the case in the late 70's when they were building them faster than they could fill them, a few years later the boom ended and many structures did also, knocked down for shoping malls.

Just how many homes are for sale in the county? So it makes sense to plug another 500+ into the mix, hey they have a golf course (posibly) and a clubhouse (posibily).

So this is 'infill' to build a new subdivision and hope they will come? I have your 'field of dreams, right here" if you get my drift.

Just sad that you and your ilk can not see what you are bringing to our area, and damit I like it rural, if you want urban sprawl go to another place.

Annual Automotive SMOG Checks?
written by CLO Resident, March 03, 2010
In a few of the news reports and comments about this project over the past few years I've seen inferences that the increased population resultant from the Cristallago development will be such that it will trigger a requirement for annual automotive SMOG checks in Lake County.

Is this true? If it's even a question, a possibility, shouldn't it have been addressed?

Can anyone cite a government statute or State rule, anything beyond personal opinion or conjecture, to support those inferences?

If it's true than the Cristallago development carries a new and substantial cost for every driver in the county.
CLO Resident
written by kd006, March 03, 2010
Not to make lite of what your saying but the 'Governmet' will make us all 'bend over and take it up the tailpie' as soon as they get the chance.

Hoe about a few other polution things, seems to me they sky is more washed out over 10 ago, people seem to need all their outdoor lights on and some of them 24/7 Oh it's so Green!
So much for planning
written by Dwain, March 03, 2010
Either we have a General Plan, or we don't.

Looks like three Supervisors think we don't, or won't when they get done with it.

So much for all that public and professional input back then.
Fresno-Lake County's Model Community
written by there_it_is, March 03, 2010
No sense at all
006 listen and GP guy
written by sweet mystaery, March 03, 2010
kd006, if you listen maybe 007 someday???

TWO POINTS -the infill you are looking for is the 800 units or 2,400 people that are approved in the General Plan for the Langtry Golf Course project, ......still can't see it.....it is because it is 7 miles outside the urban boundary. It is referred to as Denise's Little City, no not Denise, just how good is lil' ole Miss Inconsistency ....the lil' ole City that is twice the size of Middletown?? Consistency hasn't been you or the Sierra Club's strong suit.

Incidentally, 006, Sierra Club and 007 Farrington, the School District is now laying off, teachers, principal, etc,thanks to your forward thinking... is it any wonder why Cal. ranks 48 out of 50 in dumbness.

Second point - Vote down Cristallago, which was to provide $3 million in impact fees, which is a gift there is no impact because the school has a capacity for 200 more students. In addition, they would have received a $1,000,000 annually.

Maybe the above comments will respond to your State Rule requirement and not conjecture. Now what was it you were saying that was, in fact, anything but conjecture....0000000 Oh, I see where the 00 comes from.

Let see some FACTS 0000

GP Guy, the GP says if you think the resort is primary, then it complies with the GP, could be subjective... what isn't subjective is the 2 that support the the GP's 2,400 population at Langtry 7 miles outside the GP's "Guess what" oh no,
not the Urban Boundary.....
The smog test thing...
written by herb, March 03, 2010
It's about Lake County's air quality. Our air quality has been some of the best in the state for a long time and that is why we have gotten a pass on smogging our cars annually. If those test results begin to come back with different results, then we will lose the privilege of being one of the few places that is exempt. Even worse we'd lose the clean air that we get to breath living here.
Cristallago may not be the thing that tips the scale in that direction but eventually, if we keep growing out population and doing so without addressing the impacts of these developments, we will be breathing smog like most of California and the DMV will try to mitigate it by having us test our cars annually.
Is Cristallago a done deal?
written by rtnc, March 03, 2010
For those of you that think so....stay tuned!
Herby, Herby,
written by sweet mystaery, March 03, 2010
Let's be fair the Langtry golf course and the 800 units and population of 2,400 twice the size of Middletown will be the tipping scale if anything will Cristallago will take 20 years to build out and its population will be half of Langtry and half of them will be second homes, which means the impact from this compared to the Langtry project is one quarter.

What really happened is Miss Victoria got her little soldiers to follow her wherever she goes and they did... now when the national Sierra club steps in to ask the leadership why... guess what the Misses just stepped out.. no longer Chair..
rtnc's got it
written by sweet mystaery, March 03, 2010
Great threat that's the attitude. Now no one in the County is working, County is laying off staff, the school district is broke, so let's threaten to increase everyone's taxes in the County by having an election on the project.

Guess what I have even a better idea, since Denise voted against the project and Jeff voted for the project let's go to the polls and vote like "normal" folks. Not you did not play my way..... so I am going to take my ball and go home...
In the meantime..
written by sweet mystaery, March 03, 2010
In the mean time, wake me when you have fact, not conjecture, threats, or other junk.... Just the facts!!!
sweet mystaery
written by kd006, March 03, 2010
bearer or who ever the F you are get a grip. This is the big peoples playground, go pound sand. Between the one or two of you it is getting really rancid. Have a adult comment or go back to the kiddy table for all our sakes.

Step In The Right Direction
written by number1, March 03, 2010
Significant effort over the past years has gone into making this an acceptable development -- countless hours on all sides to make the "right" decision. Now we all have to work to make the decision "right". A successful Cristillago, results in a successful Lake County.
Fact is...
written by ekarnowski, March 03, 2010
Lamb pointed out that Boeger owes $1.4 million in back taxes on the marina property – which county records show already was in tax arrears when he purchased it several years ago – and asked why the board would approve a project with zoning changes and a general plan amendment for someone who doesn't pay his back taxes.
Directly from yesterday's testimony:

In addition, he accused Boeger of stripping the water rights out of the marina property and giving them to another organization before letting the land go into foreclosure. “This is the type of individual we're dealing with.”
This speaks for itself, golf courses are going out of style, few can afford memberships or greens fees. This company does not sound like they support Lake county if they can't even make their taxes on their property.
kd relax
written by sweet mystaery, March 03, 2010
Just point out one of the things that I stated that was not a fact, then look to your comments.
Just facts. Gee I hope facts don't offend you.
mystaery
written by kd006, March 03, 2010
"kd relax
written by sweet mystaery, March 03, 2010

Just point out one of the things that I stated that was not a fact, then look to your comments.
Just facts. Gee I hope facts don't offend you."

Only offended by your comments, just stick to the facts you wagged about a lot of 'FACTS' in your first tirade, are any true? I know we are hemoraging TOT right and left BUT where are the FACTS?

I can read you like a book, others can also, so stick with this or another name and prove your point, just stop F'n spouting crap and stiring the pot.

Can I be any more clear than that? 28% vacancy is a GOOD THING, 74% is BAD, got the IDEA NOW?
Common knowledge
written by tom, March 03, 2010
of city planning is that residential development does not pay. Taxes generated do not equal the social and community costs. Police protection, road and infrastucture repair over the years, schools, all those expenses that are charged up front to the developer but that continue to create a liability are a long term financial drain. Finally, the next time the county asks citizens to be a part of the planning process by attending General Plan workshops, don't be surprised when nobody shows up. It's now proved to be a waste of time. Short-sighted supervisors will just negate your work. Let's have a ballot measure on this and show Mr. Comstock, Smith and Brown how out of touch they are.
Time Will Tell
written by solincobb, March 03, 2010
We just keep making the same mistakes over and over. The days of massive subdivisions are over whether here, there, or anywhere, especially when they go against the very concepts that were put forth through the General Plan.

Beyond that though,and just as important to me, I find many of the above comments are based more on anger than facts. These divisions are driving a wedge deeper and deeper into this country, it's not good folks.
Tom, are they really out of touch and Time Will Tell
written by sweet mystaery, March 03, 2010
Tom,
You were right about residential not paying for itself, it seems like just a few years ago, but today with the high cost of housing, especially high-end housing, it does pay for itself.
In fact, the County's own consultant, in the Fiscal Impact Analysis, showed that the County will receive $2,000,000 annually.

The question then becomes what has made it so costly.. government some, but just look at Cristallago, if we assume the Sierra Club, with its 25 pages of questions, etc. related to the EIR (compared to the 4 for Langtry golf project) and the 4 month delay related to the appeal, could have a total delay of 1 year for the project. If we assume over the life of the project, not today's figure, that just inflation will average 5% (this has been the case for the last 50 years), then the Local Sierra Club can take credit for increasing housing cost to our community for just one years delay
of $37,500,000 ($750M * 5%)... and that's how the residential started paying for itself.... and then of course if you give government more money, well you know the rest.

The person writing the Time Will Tell has good advice... let's disagree in a respectful way. God only knows we have so many other problems to worry about.. namely going broke
fuzzy
written by Tim, March 03, 2010
Just one example of the "fuzzy" math the developer uses - Using a back-end approach to residual property valuation he made the astounding claim, that adding $50,000 to the development cost per residential unit would increase the sale price from $400,00 to over $800,000. - He said this twice!
Sure, there is a formula that supports that - and formulas that don't.
Facts
written by nihle, March 03, 2010
Fact # 1
We will all need SMOG checks in a few years.
Fact # 2
No Baby Boomers will buy homes on toxic site.The negative publicity about this will make it a real tough sell.You cannot even plant a tree in your back yard without being exposed.These men have never worked with abestos. This issue alone may well end up in the courts. Are promised jobs worth the life of a child ? Chances are very good that if they insist on building on that land the CEPA & EPA will be involved which will have a direct bearing on all the other developments already on tap for the county.
Fact # 3
The numbers giving to all of us were about the benifits were grossly over stated. The consultant even admitted to it at the meeting. We need accurate numbers not assumptions.
Fact # 4
Without the marina this will just not work. Golf is dying and the Lake is our # 1 asset. They should have gone after the fisherman and recreational boaters. No one is going to pay over $250.00 a night.
Fact # 5
This could easily have been downsized and kept within the General Plan. It would have been win-win...but they refused to drop thier profit margin.
Fact # 6

This is not over ...yet
sweet mystaery...
written by herb, March 03, 2010
You comment above: I have no idea what you are talking about or why you addressed it to me. I am not even a member of the Sierra Club. My only comment on this thread was an attempt to answer someon's question about the relationship between Cristallago and the county's exemption from annual smog testing.
I am also not sure why the tone of your comment was so hostile. I don't even know who you are and but am bored with posters that get personal.
I am against the Cristallago development for a variety of reasons. I am glad that Victoria and the Sierra Club have taken on the heavy lifting in opposing it and documenting the reasons why.
I am not sure why you would care who is the current chair of the Sierra Club or whay the fact that they change chairpersons would matter to you or what you think that proves.
Find someone ealse to slug it out with. I will continue to work to keep sprawl, pollution and senseless development out of this county.
As rtnc says. This project is not a done deal. Stay tuned.
To Tim
written by sweet mystaery, March 03, 2010
I ask for specifics and you gave me one. Unfortunately, I did not attend the hearings and had to leave my lovely area to go to big City of Ukiah yesterday, and cannot respond, but I have to agree with you that does sound like fuzzy math on the developers side.

You win this one and I do appreciate the manner and tone in your discussion.



moot points, all
written by kbarzin, March 03, 2010
This is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

We need to step back and look at the Really Big Picture. None of these projects (Cristallago, Lowes, etc.) are going to get built, ever. Go study the world economic situation; we are at the beginning, not the end, of a prolonged depression. The US economy is so in debt that it is on the edge of insolvency. We cannot continue to print money forever- otherwise we will go the way of Zimbabwe.

Where will the customers for these homes come from? What is the current number of foreclosed homes in Lake County? The good-paying middle-class jobs have left the US, never to return, thanks to the multi-national corporations and the "too-big-to-fail" banks. The US has no manufacturing base left. The housing boom and the era of cheap credit is over, done, stick a fork in it. We put all of our economic eggs in one basket, and the basket broke.

We should be looking into more diverse ag land production for local consumption, rather than building more houses. Lake County has always been an agricultural area, even before it was a tourist destination. When some of the high-end economic forecasters advise investing in farmland and gold, things are going to change.

You think I am delusional? I suggest you watch "The Crash Course" at http://www.chrismartenson.com. Listen to the podcasts of Max Keiser and Karl Denniger. Stop listening to the TV pundits, they are lying. Educate yourself before the **** hits the fan. And good luck.
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written by bearer, March 03, 2010
I believe the reason that sweet mystaery brought the SC up was the major role they play in Lake county politics.

The sierra club has a roster of all the projects in the county that they try to effect change on the decisions of the boards in Lake Co. http://www.lakelive.info/subdivisions/.
The action to affect change makes them a player that can and should be addressed because of the influence they have on all our lives.

That said, it looks like three of the Supervisors felt this was good for our county. One was unsure of what he understood and did not want to talk to the developers for a year to clarify what he did misunderstand. I can understand where he got the fuzzy math but it seems opting out of discussion may have contributed to his confusion. Has Rushing ever been for this project?

I found it very interesting that V Brandon did not bring up the serpentine issue as a contributing factor against this project. I am not making light opf hazmats, but if the serpentines are a deal killer then why was that topic avoided?

People are always afraid of change, but growth is going to happen as long as people multiply and need a place to live. It is inevitable.
Everyone who says that change and growth are inevitable...
written by herb, March 03, 2010
are absolutely right. But how that change and growth manifests remain to be seen. The citizens who are already living there should and do have a say in the discussion .
I just learned about the asbestos issue on this site a short time ago. It may be a "tactic" to stop the project, but there either is or isn't a hazard there and it will be easy to determine the truth by doing the appropriate tests. If there is a problem, they will have to mitigate it by covering the serpentine with a lot of soil so it is not exposed.
If there is no real danger than that part is moot.
But there are other reasons to oppose this development and those of us who think it is bad for the county have a duty to say so and to lobby our representitives to vote against it.
That's the way it works. Some people think the project will be a good thing for the county and they are winning this battle thus far.
As far as the Sierra Club goes...of course they have an influence, but only because they speak for many people who oppose this thing.
If it was just me or some other individuals fighting the project, we'd have little clout against billionaire developers and their lawyers. Fortunately, we have various orgainizations that are well organized and have willing volunteers to speak on behalf of what we believe is sensible development and against sprawl and blight. In the end the project will or won't happen and we will all have to live with the results.
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written by Barbara Flores, March 03, 2010
The BOS and others have on rose colored glasses. No one is going to get any revenues from this development. Do you really think that 650 homes are going to sell?? Good grief - just think about that. AND - 300 of these home will be built on Asbestos soil!!

The Serpentine Asbestos soil is not a tactic. It is very real. The construction workers should be very scared and demand they get the proper training/equipment to excavate this type of soil. They are the first at risk for getting cancer down the road. They will be bringing these asbestos fibers into their cars, homes - all for their families to breathe. Sign me up for this job!!!!!
Thanks sweet mystaery
written by Tim, March 03, 2010
for listening, please accept this, just as my perspective of some of your comments - as examples - not to pick a fight with you:

You fault Sup. Rushing as inconstant by voting for the Langrty project. But I hope you know by now, that approval was only for a golf course, on an already irrigated pasture so was almost impact neutral. No housing or other development. The objective given was to attract more tourist dollars to Langtry (and the county). So, in support of economic development she supported it. Just like all the other positive developments mentioned yesterday (Ciego, Tallman etc.) where there was NO residential component - will it need one? Maybe, but that's not what was voted for. So it really seems an unjustified attack, from perhaps no more than an ideological position.

And you state: "School District is now laying off, teachers, principal, etc,thanks to your forward thinking..."

Well, school districts and cities and counties all over are laying off staff, cutting budgets and many are in bankruptcy - its the economy. But, in fact our county is one of only 3 in the state that has a balanced budget. Can you or I take credit or blame for that? Of course not.

But what will move us forward, distinguish us and make us a desirable destination with a viable economy?

There are many ways to skin that cat and Ms. Rushing is one (of many) that is looking for new answers because the old ones (like golf communities)aren't working any more.

One thing we've learned is that tying developments to the land, the lake, the unique recreation and culture, can infuse them with a special synergy that reflects as well as benefits the whole community.

Just as fine wines are reflective of their "terroir". The wrong variety or practice, even in the finest vineyard, will create an inferior wine and so it is with resort developments and communities in general.

By the way, I am a proud Sierra Club member and I do not believe we should "shut the door" on future residents or residential developments. But I believe we must and can build and grow "smartly" into a community that we are proud and happy to be apart of, by shaping developments to fit our needs - not just the developer's bottom line (though that is essential also)

So maybe we should all start contributing ideas and vision - not just ideology and mud.
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written by bearer, March 03, 2010
Ideas and vision between a capitalist developer and an organization whos basic philosophy is restriction of growth will never be concurrent.

Those who phrase this as merely a conflict between a developer and the representation by the SC miss a much larger point. There are many that are not a part of or represented by the various developers and happen to agree with the county progressing and growing to meet future demands. We understand that short of a massive influenza outbreak or a major conflict that the population is going to grow.

What we see is wanting the county to be in a position to benefit from the growth and actually gain a position of economic strength in the state. Our county is a service county with one major employer (the county) and a few Large Ag employers.

We are not self sufficient in our ability to employ our citizens. The people that tout the global carbon scare are the ones also fighting growth which would lower auto emissions by keeping workers in Lake county.

We have a badge from the Federal Government of being pretty much an economic disaster area and are eligible for massive credits for intrepid business minded people. What we need is a change in the hearts and minds of people wanting what is good for the countys future, which involves a lot more than the typical vote of the SC in a thumbs down.

When we are asked to pay to service this outrage
written by hbhbglenn, March 03, 2010
Remember how the supervisors voted. These boondoggles never pay their way. I know that the flashy power point presentations said we would acrue lots of benefits, and probably there will be some for a few (perhaps already).

Later when the reality sets in, and the profits have left town, we will be stuck with paying to service this dumb growth. Perhaps we can call it the "Maestery Tax" - permissible as a lighting and landscape fee. Or the "in memory of the general plan" fee increases.

When you are shocked by the reality of this and you wonder why you have to pay, so wealthy people can enjoy better services then you yourself have, remember this vote.
Mr. Glenn
written by sweet mystaery, March 03, 2010
Mr. Glenn, I said enough already, but I must respond. The "Maestery tax" that was just great and it is that type of fun dialogue that we should have in order to be able to communicate without any hostility. But the spelling "Mystaery". The project obviously helps the Lakeport School District or they would not have supported the project and the same is true of the hospital. As far as the numbers go, it is the staff that recommended the consultant and they, the staff, were totally opposed to the project. Yes, the numbers are very favorable, especially when you consider the staff was well aware of the faulty assumptions and did not require the consultant to change them. Specifically, the consultants used the following assumptions: 1. Vacancy rate for the residential units in a project that has almost 70% second homes, which typically is around 40% +. Consultant used 5%. The County of Lake has averaged between 27-28% for the last 30+ years. 2. The traffic consultant used 0%, that is correct 0% vacancy, no not 5% or the actual but 0%, and the staff did not require him to change.

So you can see that if this was your project or mine, we would be screaming to high haven, but to the developers credit and he must be very wise because even with those extremely faulty assumptions the numbers were very favorable and the only impact was to view this for 20 seconds, I think someone referred to it as a "cell phone" view project driving down Hwy 29.
The developer, must give him credit, because can you imagine, the strong almighty Sierra Club going into court with those assumptions.

Let me put the 'Strong Almighty Sierra Club" in perspective. Before the economy went goofy, they had a total of 400 members in the County, the National Club has lost about 15-20%. So,if we assume the local club has a membership in the County of about 350 people, then they represent ... get ready... a whopping one half of 1% of our County.
Fun with math
written by konoctibill, March 03, 2010
I wonder what percentage of residents the developers seeking to inject themselves into local politics and discard our locally produced general plan comprises. .0000000000000? Maybe that's not enough zeros since NONE of them live here. At least those homes will be 'luxury' homes to us even if they aren't what these guys consider luxurious. How insulting to be called rubes by carpetbaggers that can't even pay their taxes.
I wonder..
written by That Redneck, March 03, 2010
As much as I don't like lots of developments and all of that, could this bring more business to our local economy in the form of 650 additional households buying goods and services such that tourism-focused retailers could actually stay in business? I hate developers and large developments but this may actually work for Lake County.

Developers suck, but this could be good. Could also really trash us. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
So what organization has a big percentage of thecounty as members?
written by herb, March 03, 2010
Since you are counting every age and every county resident in your statistic, tell me what percentage of the county's residents are in the Chamber of Commerce? Or any group for that matter.
On another note...did the Lakeport Unified SD have an official position in favor of this project? That would be a very unusual thing for a school district to do. Even if they need to bring up their numbers because of declining enrollment, school districts rarely get directly involved in these kinds of issues. So if I missed that piece of news, can you direct me to where you heard it? As a member of another school board myself, I'd be interested to hear more about that.





























































Just insanity.
written by James, March 04, 2010
As all before, you are swayed with words of jobs,prosperity and all the other gibberish that allure as if growth is manageable. You won't it will manage you. We are starting to wallow within our own sty and what you propose is a answer. Good luck.
don't forget
written by ecco, March 04, 2010
keep in mind there are many many empty house in the county that need filled. so there is where the "growth' can go. we already have homes for them, we just need to put people in them. also, if Cristallago really wanted to push this through they would get prospective new residents to vouch for these properties. i personally have seen a very large condo/apt building in Indiana get approval just because they could show that they already had residents for the building. without that it wouldn't have been built. if people aren't moving into the large number of vacant homes we already have, what makes anyone think they will move into those. we need to focus on what we already have and not what "could be".
For pro-development advocates
written by allen, March 04, 2010
Why not live your dream and move away to a place that's already developed? Then leave us in peace in our semi-rural lifestyle!
Thanks Tim
written by sweet mystaery, March 04, 2010
I appreciate your points of view and I respect you and them as well. Personally, I think Denise adds a lot to the Board. It certainly gives the Board a very broad political bandwidth. Here is where we disagree a little. This is what Victoria B presented at one of the many public hearings. She said the golf course was to assist the wine sales. This is also where you and her agree that golf is a dying business. So my question is why would you put a dying business in to supplement yet another dying business. Now, you seem like you have a sense of humor...... but wouldn't that be comparable to a "double negative", which in math is a positive, but I'm not sure business works that way. In addition, she said the Cristallago course would fail and we would be left with a mess. My question to you guys is if Cristallago fails, with its supporting cast of 325 resort units, 650 upscale homes and 40,000 visitors per year....why is the Langtry course going to succeed.(1)

The other comment she made, which I felt was equally suspect was that there wasn't going to be any homes related to this project approval and that was entirely true. What she failed to mention was a few months earlier when they all supported the new GP.... guess what it will permit 800 homes or about 2,400 people on the Langtry vineyard. That happens to be twice the size of Middletown. It is like a little city unto itself, which by the way it is also 6-7 miles outside the urban boundary. It is illegal to "piecemeal" projects.

I am also a member of the Sierra Club, but the local SC's leadership sometimes try to play politics and it hurts the entire credibility of your organization.... if you are a member. Cristallago, on the other hand did not use any prime ag. land and is adjacent to the Urban Boundary. Now I could go on, but I will stop with one more.... "something to think about". Under previous SC's leadership she recommended approval of the Ceago compound, but recommended disapproval of the proposed Residential/Public Golf Course Project, the Provinsalia project and, of course, Cristallago. What do all three of these projects have in common... no!! not those stinking golf courses. (1) Footnote one...maybe that is why Langtry will....

Tom, just think about that overnight and see if in fact your local SC has been the leadership that will give you some credibility. Because once that is lost, which you can see from above,,,,it certainly has been with me......

Thanks for your earlier response!!!
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written by ucdavisboy, March 05, 2010
Will someone please explain to me why the County is approving a project involving Boeger when he owes the county back taxes from 1988 for over $2 million on his property at Robin Hill and Lakeshore Blvd???

Heck...who knows...maybe he'll leverage THAT property for this one and the county will get their money
sweet mystaery - You are a member of the SC and you object to them "playing politics?"
written by herb, March 05, 2010
Eco politics is one of their main functions and the way in which they are most effective.
If you are a Sierra Club member and can't see striking differences between Langtry and Cristallago...and don't think the SC should be involved in politics...
I don't get it.
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written by ucdavisboy, March 05, 2010
And a Ruzicka giving a thumbs up comment at the meeting is amusing considering Ruzicka and Assoc. is/will be utilized for this and other Boeger projects and Boeger owes Ruzicka money through loan(s).

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