but Konocti Harbor is not reservation land. When the former owners wanted to look at adding a casino, it was deemed too trafic intensive for the narrow Soda Bay road. And we already have three casinos in the county as it is. The great panacea of gambling, which has a slew of social costs, can't be the stock go-to answer for Indian poverty. Schooling, good parenting, and personal responsibilty alway is.

Tribes running the place like it should, as opposed to a bunch of idiots eating like pigs (Robinsons) and sitting around talking about everyone. Hopefully this group does not take notes from the Robinsons embezzlement tribe, where their leadership suckles off of the resources and exports the dollars to Chico... then beat up on the locals and hide behind their little police crew and security. That is truly lake counties finest. But hey it fits in with the sheriff and DA ordeal doesn't it?

When we all voted way back when to legalize Indian Gaming in California I don't think one of us realized that tribes would be buying up land and established businesses to turn into casinos. I know I would have voted against the propositions if I had known. I keep hearing that more casinos will bring more tax dollars but I can't seem to see how Lake County has had any benefit from having casinos. The LCSO, fire department EMT's, fire protection departments are all being used regularly by tribal casinos but do they pay their fair share of that cost? No. Do they pay their fair share of highway and road maintenance and repair? No. Do they donate money to the local Senior Centers? No. Do they donate to local youth groups? No. Do they do much of anything for the community that supported their endeavor to have casinos? No. Just take, take, take. I love the Native American traditions and arts but I cannot believe that the ancestors would condone what has happened to a most beautiful culture. Very sad!

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So if I get this right this was an effort to stop off reservation casinos! Somehow this strikes me as strange, presently the Scotts Valley Pomo seem to have no land holdings. Guess the Habematolel Pomo are in the same boat but they seem to have pushed through the project in Upper Lake late last year.

Konicti Harbor Resort is a lofty goal, wonder if Luna Gaming is going to finance that too. I do have to wonder if we really need 5 casinos in Lake County. (Twin Pines, Konocti View, Robinson, Upper Lake and now KHRS)

Which brings up the point of the Hatfield & McCoy antics of the local tribes, seems there are several groups a hundred here, two hundred there and they are all busy with arguing and disenrolling members. If they want to remain Sovereign independant peoples then please don't ask for outside assistance with your quabbles. Your either bloodline members or your not. Whatever past adoptions were made should be honored but it's your tribe so do as you please, that is what Sovereignty is all about.

I am sure nobody was going to hold a gun to your head and force you to move to Richmond. Matter of fact nobody is keeping you here either, can't find a job here then do like others do and move to where the jobs are. I moved here from the east coast, back east in the 80's and back again the 90's making my way where the employment lead me. Nobody held my hand and offered a free ride, I had to plan and make my own way. Its been a great journey along the way, business travel to about 40 of the states. So if the situation here does not suit you feel free to move on and find a better place.

First off, the ancestors would probably feel pretty good about their decendents living off the current land as successfully as they are. Pinkeye, would you prefer the locals set up stands with beads and rugs to sell to the tourists?

I wonder if there are sovereignty issues about roads going through the reservations. Or maybe ancient riparian rights some lawyer could raise issue with regarding Clearlake and the tributaries feeding it.

You are going on the assumption that your rights supercede a sovereign nations right to existence. They do not have to contribute to a senior center or any other government establishment. They do pay for what they use by contract though.

No hate here, just the facts Jack! Special treatment for the tribes is a bit over the top when they can't even get along with each other in their many clans. I suppose next we should toss a payment to each desendant of former slaves.

No, but the inner workings of the indian nation are mirrored on a larger scale by the same political system those outside a reservation live under.

Infighting? Graft? Special interest groups? Government payoffs to friends. Presisent "We Won"

Exactly how is it different?

if more people did like I doo and did not visit these casinos we wouldn't have to worry about them, they would go out of business....oh no they wouldn't they would just continue to bus them in, on our roads we pay taxes for...do they pay taxes???

Bearer,

Please don't tell me these noble natives have succumed to the white mans corruption! This is serious bad news, thought they had this 'nobody owns the land' thing!

I read your post and almost fell of my chair laughing. My goodness, not roads through their reservations or ancient riparian rights! Are you in your right mind? Riparian rights, heck they can fish with nets, pretty sure they don't need a state fishing licence either for any type of fishing short of tossing dynamite in the pond. By this logic I could say my great grandfather got ripped off by selling his Inn back in New Jersey in the 1800's and therefor I should make a claim to get it back! Sounds good to me I have a 150 year old jug with his name and town on it, and a history of the area, darn shame the canal closed down and business dropped off.

I can see the signs now, 'Entering Pomo Territory, please remove your shoes' as a matter of fact that sounds like a good idea, reading 'california's' post, heck bus people in but prohibit shoes for 100 yards around the casino/reservation, that way only the diehard gamblers would walk in. (this of course is all in jest, but I hope you see where this is going, crap the TSA makes people take of their shoes).

I suppose if I have a point at all, it is instead of infighting between clans/tribes either cooperate or try another venture than a casino, probably could sell tobbaco, open a restaurant, gas station, dollar store. Why is it that the ONLY option is to open a casino?

Point is, make your own way in life, mommy & daddy are not going to coddle you forever, Uncle Sam is broke, the state is broke, the education system is broken and has failed our youth.

Funny thing about the human animal, every so often even without the benifit of education or gobs of money we find a way to survive and become a productive member of society. Pick your sorry butt up and dare I say it... WORK to make your situation better.

This country is in a bad situation, Obama is NOT going to pull us out of it no matter how much 'stimulius' spending is done, it is up to the people to step up and work to rebuild this country. Figure a way to make an honest living, ditch the drugs and pay no attention to the 'Wizzard of OZ behind the curtain' The fat Cats in Washington DC don't care they have theirs already. (PS- we would be in the same situation with McCain/Palin) Unless we get back to being a producing nation rather than a 'service' econamy we will continue down this path to third world status.

Let's live in the present. No, I don't expect little stands selling wares. I am just tired of paying for something that some other people did to the Native Americans more than 150 years ago. I had nothing to do with it. My ancestors hadn't even landed on these shores 150 years ago. I just want everyone to pay their fair share and Indian casinos do not pay what other businesses do in taxes. And I don't really care if it is Native Americans or Germans or Norwegians running casinos, I just think the easy ride needs to end for casinos. Casinos create blight, and that's a fact! There must be other ways to make a living for tribes and to preserve their heritage with some endeavor other than one armed bandits! No more talk about sacred land!! There is no such thing if it holds a casino in the middle of it! And buying land to build casinos was not in the original proposition we voted for or against!

The only way you are paying into the indian nation is if you are spending money in the casino.

Do a little research on indian affairs and you will find how the U>S> Gov is getting its pound of flesh in taxes. Look into CA affairs and you will find taxes are charged

Bars create blight, should we close all bars? This is about choice, your choice not to and someone elses choice to.

KDoo6 you completely negated your earlier point. A business is a business and people will either come or they wont. Free enterprise will decide when there are to many and we do not need the nanny government coming in again to tell people what they can or can not do.

As to what business the indian nation chooses to open, what business is that of yours? Is it then their right to tell you to quit your choice of financial gain and pursue another?

Regarding the roads deal, the road enters onto another nations land. The riparian rights thing is something the white man came up with. Once the rules are established the legal system (according to the current Democrat philosophy) can be manipulated to say whatever is wanted. It is all about playing the game the way the locals (like the sierra club) lay them out