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Clearlake reveals regional shopping center plan, featuring new Lowe's store PDF Print E-mail
Written by Elizabeth Larson   
Wednesday, 16 December 2009
CLEARLAKE – The city of Clearlake is unveiling its plans for a regional shopping center – which will have a Lowe's home improvement store as its anchor tenant – on the site of the city's former airport property, with a February 2011 deadline for groundbreaking.


The Clearlake Redevelopment Agency is proposing to sell 15 acres of the 26-acre Pearce Airport to a developer, and use $6 million of the $8.5 million the agency has in the form of bond proceeds to make needed infrastructure upgrades to the site.


City officials also are proposing that the project – formally titled the Clearlake Airport Redevelopment Project – be approved without an environmental impact report.


The project is expected to generate significant sales tax revenue, along with jobs and future development, for the city of Clearlake, hit hard by the recent economic downturn.


However, questions already are arising about the development's possible impacts on businesses around the lake, whether it's a proper use of redevelopment funds and if more environmental study needs to be done.


Following nearly three years of behind-closed-doors negotiations with a developer, the Clearlake Redevelopment Agency has sent neighboring government agencies a notice about the commercial plan, which City Administrator Dale Neiman called “a complicated transaction.”


The project will be the subject of a Jan. 7 public hearing at Clearlake City Hall before a joint meeting of the Clearlake City Council and Clearlake Redevelopment Agency, whose members are the same.


Neiman, also the redevelopment agency's executive director, prepared Clearlake's initial study on the project.


The public review period for the project's proposed mitigated negative declaration began on Dec. 1 and will end Dec. 31 at 5 p.m. The documents are available at the Clearlake City Hall, 14050 Olympic Drive.


The redevelopment agency's notice, issued Dec. 1, explains that the project site – located between Highway 53, Old Highway 53, Airport Road and 18th Avenue – includes seven parcels of land. The agency has owned the land since 1996; the airport closed in 1994.


A map accompanying the city's notice states that the building area at the 15-acre project will total 154,179 square feet.


The proposed project's developer is KK Raphel Properties of Danville. The principals in that company are part of Katz Kirkpatrick Properties of Roseville, a shopping center development, leasing and management company that has developed projects around Northern California.


The Clearlake Redevelopment Agency entered into an exclusive negotiating agreement with Katz Kirkpatrick over the airport property development in April of 2007.


Negotiations have taken place behind closed doors ever since, as Lake County News has reported, with numerous performance deadlines adjusted and extended.


Fred Katz, the company's principal, did not return a call seeking comment on Tuesday.

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In the notice issued to local agencies, sent out in compliance with the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA), the Clearlake Redevelopment Agency proposes findings that include a mitigated project with “no significant environmental impact.”


The agency is seeking a mitigated negative declaration, which would remove the need for an environmental impact report.


The city is requiring Wal-Mart, which is seeking to enlarge is current store on Dam Road Extension by about 40,000 square feet, to complete an EIR, as Lake County News has reported. However, Neiman said there is a big difference between the two projects, with Wal-Mart having “very serious traffic problems” at Dam Road and Dam Road Extension.


With the airport property, he suggested traffic would be the most serious concern, but it could be mitigated.


At the Jan. 7 meeting, the council and redevelopment agency will decide whether or not to do an EIR or to certify the existing environmental document; whether or not to sell the property, the agreement for which is about 100 pages; consider abandoning a right-of-way on Airport Road; and, if that right-of-way is abandoned, decide on a proposed property exchange to the south for a right-of-way with Superior Acquisitions, which owns the adjacent former Outrageous Waters site.


Still not finalized is the property's asking price. Neiman said the property appraised for $4 per square foot, which comes out to more than $2.6 million.


But that won't necessarily be the asking price, as adjustments to the price need to be made due to the land's condition. Neiman said the land has a large amount of fill that will need to be replaced at an estimated cost of $1.8 million.


Half a million dollars also must be set aside in escrow to deal with the possibility that hazardous materials are discovered on the site, said Neiman. If such materials aren't found, the city gets the money back; if they are, the city can go through a process to recoup the money from the previous owner.


The area also needs road and sewer upgrades, with the sewer upgrades alone estimated to cost $5 million; the redevelopment agency and the county's Special Districts division are proposing to split the costs.


Without those upgrades – which would be considered “extraordinary improvements” if required of a developer – Neiman said the property likely wouldn't be developed. In addition to making the shopping center happen, Neiman said the upgrades also will help local homes and businesses.


He said the redevelopment agency will recoup almost all of the $2.5 million it invests in the sewer improvements through developer impact fees of $833 on each of the 3,000 new single family dwelling hookups that will be added to the system.


The plan's shape emerges


The Katz Kirkpatrick Properties Web site has the Clearlake redevelopment project listed under its “new shopping centers” section. They're currently offering four shopping center spaces retail pads, two of them measuring 3,200 square feet, and the others 3,863 and 6,000 square feet in size.


“This development project is a great opportunity for those looking for a prime retail site that will attract the residents of Clearlake and Lake County and the many visitors that frequent this recreational getaway,” the site states.


According to the plan, the project's first parcel, measuring 9.68 acres, is expected to house a Lowe's home improvement center. The 111,348 square foot, single-story building will have a 25,568 square foot outdoor garden center.


The next three parcels – measuring 0.8, 0.9 and 0.9 acres, respectively – will be developed with drive-through restaurants; parcel five, measuring 1.6 acres, will have a sitdown restaurant, and parcels six and seven, measuring 0.5 and 0.7 acres respectively, will have business services or repair services, the document said.


Last year, as negotiations continued, some of the details of the plans emerged as part of a sewer capacity system study prepared by CH2MHILL in July of 2008 for the Clearlake Redevelopment Agency and Home Depot, which originally was looking at being the anchor store.


However, as Lake County News outlined in a three-part series last December, the economy led Home Depot to put their plans on hold and, eventually, to pull out of the project altogether, after the city worked with them for a year and a half, according to Neiman.


“Lowe's came in right behind them,” and has been negotiating with the city for over a year, Neiman said.


“The hard part was finding the major anchor tenants,” he added.


He said Lowe's has confirmed they'll anchor the development.


The sewer capacity study completed for Home Depot had referenced a supermarket in the development. However, Neiman said a Safeway won't be located there because the development area isn't big enough, but there are plans to build it nearby on the former water park site.


While city officials are attaching the Lowe's name to the project, company representative would not confirm an agreement to come to Clearlake.


Gerard Littlejohn, a spokesman for Lowe's Companies Inc., based in Mooresville, NC, told Lake County News this week that the company is always evaluating potential sites, but that real estate process can be a lengthy and complex one.


“It’s our policy not to comment about specific sites Lowe’s may be considering unless we have closed on all real estate matters,” Littlejohn said, adding that they haven't closed the real estate process in Clearlake.


Littlejohn said when Lowe’s evaluates potential store sites, they consider “literally hundreds of factors,” some of which include an area’s population, home ownership and ease of access for a particular site.


“Our store sizes vary by market, but typically provide between 94,000 square feet of retail sales space up to 117,000 square feet of retail sales space,” he said. “All sizes include additional, adjacent garden centers.”


Neiman said the council will consider entering into a disposition and development agreement with the developer that will allow them to regulate what goes on the development site for the next 30 years. The construction must break ground by February of 2011.


Community members seek information


Lori Peters, executive director of the Clear Lake Chamber of Commerce, said Tuesday that the chamber couldn't make any comments yet regarding the project itself.


“We're actually in the dark at this moment,” she said.


Peters said the chamber decided to take a proactive approach to get more information, so the group's board of directors invited the developers to a Wednesday evening meeting to discuss what the project will entail.


“We just want to get an idea of what's going on,” she said.


The question about the use of redevelopment bond funds for the airport project is scheduled to be discussed by the Clearlake Redevelopment Agency's advisory committee at its meeting this Friday, Dec. 18, at 3:30 p.m.


In a series of e-mail exchanges, Neiman told committee members that they weren't authorized to discuss the property sale and that he was directing the group's secretary not to place any items on the advisory committee's agenda having to do with the airport.


Neiman also accused committee chair Robert Riggs of breaking the Brown Act by circulating e-mails to advisory committee members, which Riggs challenged.


The committee nevertheless is scheduled on Friday to discuss whether it should suggest to the agency's board of directors that the advisory committee could undertake a study regarding the proposed expenditure of redevelopment bond proceeds in connection with the airport.


Coming up: Lake County News will report on the reactions from local businesses and leaders.


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We Already Have...
written by That Redneck, December 16, 2009
...hardware stores and restaurants. What we don't need are more chain stores. Having locally-owned businesses keeps the money on the Lake, not heading out of town to some giant corporate entity.

At first read I was kinda excited about a Lowes but then I realized what that would do to all the locally-owned hardware stores like Kelseyville Lumber, Piedmont Lumber, Mendo Mill (well, sorta local) and the collection of Ace and True Value stores. Some of these won't survive, so it would just be Clearlake taking traffic from other parts of the Lake or other existing businesses.

Seriously, government, we have to work together up here on long-term strategies.

This whole county is in the tourism business, flat plain and simple. What needs to be done is develop additional tourism-related businesses, things that makes us truly unique and a destination for people with money. We need to look to businesses that provide incremental revenue and additional draw, not just take from another corner of the Lake and send our money out of town.

Suddenly the people of Clearlake aren't going to say, "ahhhh, I can finally buy 2X4s." They already do. And from local families who then spend their money on other local businesses, not from giant corporate chains that then spend their money paying off stock certificates.

What seriously needs to happen up here is the development of retail tourism that is unique to our area so people return here to get that unique product or experience.

That can include taking advantage of our exceptional local agriculture to create products that are representative of Lake County. We should also work on our own existing businesses to make them more palatable to those coming from out of town. Simple things like lighting, paint, signage. We already have great parking which, to someone from San Francisco, Sacramento or Santa Rosa, is almost unheard of.

Fast food and big box stores are not something we need at all up here. Let's keep this area uniquely local and work on building that as our draw. And everybody who owns a business or has been to a locally-owned business should go an oppose this development loudly, clearly and succinctly.
If approved, this poorly thought-out plan
written by Old Coot, December 16, 2009
will not only destroy the Burns Valley Mall and adjacent businesses, but severely impact most of the remaining merchants on Lakeshore Drive, already a somewhat blighted area. Does our city administrator want the only remaining downtown businesses to be tattoo parlors and marijuana shops? What a lovely view that will be for tourists first visiting the lake; they will make a U-turn and head for home, never to return.

The authors of the Vision Task Force Report and the Lakeshore Drive Design Guidelines surely must be weeping.
These guys have zero vision...
written by herb, December 16, 2009
for the future of our city. Clearlake will be indistinguishable from every other highway town in the country with foreign owned corporate money dominating. The downtown will shrivel even more.
Someone please run against these council members in the next election....
welcome to Clearlake
written by herb, December 16, 2009
In September of 2005 a federal judge certified a class-action lawsuit against Lowe’s for failing to pay workers due overtime wages. The case could represent as many as 75,000 current and former Lowe’s employees who allege that the company used a number of tactics to avoid paying full overtime compensation.

-- Associated Press, 09/26/2005 Source URL: none available
[edit] Legal Disputes

Sunset Valley and the Save Our Springs (SOS) Alliance filed a lawsuit against the city of Austin, Texas and Lowe’s for violating rules governing development in the Barton Springs watershed. The original agreement between the city and Lowe’s required the company to devote $1 million to preservation efforts and to install water-quality controls. Barton Springs watershed development regulations allow only between 15 and 20 percent solid cover of the land in question, however the city of Austin allowed Lowe’s to plan for 40 percent occupancy. SOS expressed concerns over the future health of the watershed as a result of such development.

-- Austin Business Journal, 03/04/2005 Source URL: none available

Consumers filed a class-action lawsuit against Lowe’s and Home Depot for misleading consumers with interest-free credit promotions. The companies were alleged to have cheated customers by applying store credit payments to interest-free balances following major promotions, leaving customers’ interest-accruing balances untouched.

-- KOMO News, 11/25/2003 Source URL: none available
[edit] Executive Compensation

In 2005, Robert A. Niblock, CEO of Lowe’s Companies Inc, made $9.3 million in total compensation including stock option grants. From previous years, Niblock cashed out $1.74 million in stock option exercises. Additionally, Lowe’s CEO has another $11.1 million in unexercised stock options from previous years.
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written by David6016, December 16, 2009
Herb, you ask for someone else to run for city council next election. You seem to have strong opinions, why not you run? If you keep waiting for that other person, it will never get done to your liking.
I do like to
written by a guest, December 16, 2009
shop at the local hardware stores but their prices and selection make me go to Ukiah or Santa Rosa regularly. Most stuff is marked up 50 to 100 percent higher than Friedmans or Home Depot.
Some hardware stores have owners doing well while having no unions to make it right. Lowes is a step to bettering Lake County.
Redevelopment?!?
written by Dusty_in_Clearlake, December 16, 2009
We have not yet been developed!!

Pave a freaking road, ya damn thieves! How about getting the stop light at Olympic and Old 53 turned on!! Incompetent, lying thieves, every last one of them!

Redevelopment my aunt fanny!
Wait for Ray's...
written by Blendshare, December 16, 2009
Lowes should wait for WalMart to build out their new grocery, which will no doubt wipe out the already marginally utilized Rays (There's never a wait in line at Rays - often no line).
I can already envision that building shuttered for years to come...
No EIR?
written by rickgunier, December 16, 2009
ALways feels like someone is trying to put something over on us when local government claims No EIR needed. Apart of the problem is 3 different local governments competing with each other for the sales tax dollar with little regard for local opinion or the effects of another Big Box crushing our 3 locally operated hardware stores. Offering part time jobs with no benefits does little to help our local economy.
as we all know...
written by smurf, December 16, 2009
the purpose of redevelopment funds is to underwrite the costs of corporate America, which is responsible for the closure of Peirce Field. Dale is just doing his job of trying to cover the tracks long enough for the project to get so far along it can't be stopped, and like everything bad done by the city of Clearlake it's all been decided behind close doors, with bothersome paperwork like EIRs dispensed with because hey, the developer said to!
That's $7 million dollars of YOUR money being given to huge corporations, which added to the cost of the airport (they had to buy it back from the FAA) makes that some of the most expensive land in the county.
I'm not anti-BigBox.
written by Old Coot, December 16, 2009
If Lowes or similar thinks it's economically viable to build a store in that area, fine....as long as they pay for it. What I object to is the city using our money (even if it's funny-money redevelopment dollars) to grease the project for them. If there really is $6,000,000 to spend, let's spend it in a way that doesn't directly (in this case) or indirectly destroy the heart of our small city.

And don't get me started about why this doesn't require a full-blown EIR.
I'm a bit confused
written by motherwestwind, December 16, 2009
The story starts out: "The city of Clearlake is unveiling its plans for a regional shopping center – which will have a Lowe's home improvement store as its anchor tenant" and then continues on about the businesses going in that section.

Then I come to this statement and confusion sets in:

"Neiman said the redevelopment agency will recoup almost all of the $2.5 million it invests in the sewer improvements through developer impact fees of $833 on each of the 3,000 new single family dwelling hookups that will be added to the system."

What 3,000 new single family dwellings?

Is this part of the Provencia (sp I'm sure) project where the 3,000 dwellings have been proposed? Is this the real reason why this project is being pushed?
The comment period
written by tom, December 16, 2009
runs from Dec.1` to Dec.31st. And this is the first time I've read about this project. Maybe it was in other sources, but why did it run so late in LakeCo News? Now I'm down to two weeks to read and respond. One of the reasons for an EIR is to take public response to projects that create public controversy. I'd say this project fits that description.
to David 016
written by herb, December 16, 2009
I can't run for city council becuase I don't live inside Clearlake's city limits. I have a business here but you have to be a resident.
Behind closed doors...
written by herb, December 16, 2009
No significant impact?
This is the largest commercial development in the history of the city. They will pave over acres and acres. Traffic issues will be off the charts.
Try to put this through without an EIR and there will be a lawsuit for sure.
I am surprised
written by Vogel, December 16, 2009
I am surprised the city council went along with this idea. They usually are against progress. This is what Mendo and Four Corners need is some honest competition. Their prices are so high , I also shop in Ukaih and Santa Rosa , even with the price of gas I save much money. I shop Lowes in Vacaville and find they are a good company to do business with. I wonder where all this traffic is going to magically appear from??Been to the bay area lately , talk about traffic. Where does this Neiman get his information?? At peak traffic times I never wait more than a few minutes at Dam Road and HiWay 53.
Dollar is dollar a dime is dime
written by fandango1, December 16, 2009
Here is something to think about, Kelseyville Lumber has built a BIG store in the hopes that this county is going to grow. I find that when Piedmont has a 20 % off everything , sale, Kelseyville Lumber won’t match their prices. Piedmont is fighting Kelseyville Lumber and doing a great a job of it. Competition brings lower prices to the homeowner. Lowes is going to create more competition in the area. We live in Lucerne and I buy small items from Piedmont despite the 30 mile round trip because the next hardware store is in Nice (ACE) and charge a third more in their prices, and don’t have the selection that a larger store has. In Ukiah Freidman Hardware competes with Home Depot and does very well indeed despite that they are not a BIG box store.. They do it because they match prices with their competition. We buy Home Depot and Freidman’s for large items because of pricing and having a larger selection of items than Piedmont or Kelseyville Lumber. We live in a poor county and full of retired, living on a fixed income , old poops like me that need cheaper prices on what we buy. It’s good to be an idealist but capitalism wins most of the time.
Clearlake needs as much help as it can get
written by kvilleparent, December 16, 2009
Local businesses are generally opened by locals, but if locals have no money to spend to open a business, then shopping local will never heppen. We need to bring jobs to the area and if Lowe's or another large store wants to open to help Clearlake better itself, then I say go for it. Shopping local is a great concept, but other than Funtopis in Middletown, it's pretty darn hard to shop local for toys for Christmas. On another note just wondering if any of you have tried outfitting (head to toe)your kids using this shop local concept, that is without breaking the bank. If you have, I'd love to hear how you did it. If we should think of building retail tourism, a lot of other things need to happen before people will bypass St. Helena and Calistoga to drive over the mountain to find that uniquely touristy gift they couldn't live without. Get real That Redneck, in theory it's a great concept, but who's living in a dream world?
Building a LOWEs
written by bearer, December 16, 2009
means only one thing. Lowes was told Lake county is headed for a massive construction build.

Considering we live in CA with all the green mindbots in control, there is only one way that EIRs are asked to be overlooked and approved.

Fandango, why do you go all the way to Nice when there is a perfectly fine all purpose hardware store in Lucerne? Are you one of those name brand shoppers?
Article's timing and hookups explanation
written by elarson, December 16, 2009
In response to Tom, we ran it as soon as we found out about it. There was a legal in the newspaper two weeks ago which few people apparently saw and recognized, and although I've REPEATEDLY asked the city of Clearlake for all legal notices to be sent to us, we were passed over. Many county officials didn't know about it until just this past week, some not until I mentioned it to them yesterday. I'm sorry that we couldn't get it to you sooner; I guess I need to make a formal complaint to the city. But that's also thanks to the worn out adjudication laws that Sen. Pat Wiggins refused to fix when myself and others went before her earlier this year.

Regarding Motherwestwind's questions about 3,000 new hookups -- those would result, according to Neiman, if the sewer system were fixed. That doesn't mean homes or businesses with those equivalents would automatically be built, but it would mean that the system would have that capacity and those numbers could eventually be added. Provinsalia could be a part of that.
59 years ago when I first came here....
written by helenemw, December 16, 2009
Clearlake Highlands was a sleepy little town full of cobwebs and ice cream stands and "Chicken in a Basket" and tourists. As soon as they put a supermarket across from Austins, it started to lose it's charm. When they built out on Olympic Dr and turned the former supermarket into City Hall and the police station full of dead police cars, it was all downhill from then on.
With millions of baby boomers retiring and buying RV's, this is the perfect place to come IF you could find 50 amp hookups (only one campground that I know of that has them - and it's in Nice) or weren't crowded next to a heroin addict in a 12 foot trailer from the 60's.
Do they really think having a Lowes in Clearlake is gonna bring tourists, or anything else besides shoppers from Middletown, when there are few decent places to stay, or eat, or swim, or?????
lowes vs home depot
written by boondoggle, December 16, 2009
I have found Lowe's prices to be higher than Home Depot. Thier paint had to be taken to Hazmat due to poor quality. Costco was negotiating with Ukiah officials but objected to a proposed shopping center at the old Masonite site. That was put on the ballot not sure of the outcome. Ace has a rewards program which rebate money to customers. Piedmont and Kelseyville Lumber refuse to participate and do not participate in most Ace sales promoted in ads. Mendo Mill participates so I sometimes buy large stuff in Clearlake or Ukiah stores when they are on sale. Rural areas have cheaper housing but more expensive food and other necessities. Is there really an answer?
This is not about cheap prices on 2X4's...
written by herb, December 16, 2009
This is about having a sustainable economy on our town and county. Lowes profits leave for coprporate headquarters at the end of every business day. The jobs are minimum wage and they are already involved in lawsuits all over the country for their shady busness practices.
If they force the local stores to close (which they intend to do) there wioll be no choice of where to shop and then watch their prices go into outer space when they are tho only store for miles.
Support your local merchants. Keep the money circulating around our own town.
The big box way is the formula for sucking small towns dry. Look at the economies, jobs and other staistics in towns that brought in these kinds of businesses and you will see where we are headed if this goes through.
To Vogel-
written by herb, December 16, 2009
The traffic will come from all the business being centralized at one or two intersections instead of naturally spread out as it is now. The City plans to have an expanded Wal Mart, Walgreens, Lowes Center , Provensalia, Carls' Jr, MacDonalds, Jack in the Box, 4 schools, and through commuter traffic all feeding through that one interesection of Dam Road and 53. An estimated 10,000 more cars passing through daily.
Think about Burns Valley
written by Old Coot, December 16, 2009
In addition to what herb said above, if this goes through, the Burns Valley commercial area will become a ghost town. Only the post office and the library will remain active. Perhaps that's why the protracted delay in getting a stop light installed there @ four corners; won't need one before very long.
time to think of the people
written by Vogel, December 16, 2009
Its time to stop worrying about mendo , Rays , 4 corners etc. and think about the citizens. I live on limited imcome , I need a local place to shop that is not trying to rape me with high prices , like the before mentioned businesses. They have been overcharging the people of this area for so long they thought it would never end. face it people its time for Clearlake to move into the 21st century. All large companies have labor problems , this does not make them a bad company. We need jobs in the area or do you just want people to sit around and draw welfare.
To Vogel:
written by Old Coot, December 16, 2009
What jobs? The best we could hope for is that Lowes (or similar) would hire those currently hard-working folks who will soon be unemployed when our local businesses are forced to close. I share some of your concerns, but want the city to focus on it's heart...the downtown area and our beautiful lake frontage. To repeat my earlier comment, if Lowes thinks they can thrive here, fine...but don't ask for my tax money to make it easier for them.
What businesses
written by Vogel, December 16, 2009
What local business will be forced to close down?? All these bloodsuckers would have to do is lower their prices to reasonable rates and no problem. They are fearmongers , spreading lies about having to close. All they are afraid of is a bit of competition. Its about time the city council did something to benifit this town. I agree they should be doing more for the tourist trade but without businesses and their tax rate what can be done. No matter which company comes to town there will be people complaining about local business. but when was the last time local business thought of the consumer any more than a cash cow.
hey boondoggle
written by golson, December 16, 2009
I believe Kelseyville Lumber withdrew as an ACE affiliated store when they opened their new store last February. Never really like ACE merchandise all that much anyway.
Prices...
written by That Redneck, December 16, 2009
...seriously, have you considered all the costs of buying at somewhere like Home Depot in Ukiah or Lowes, potentially in Clearlake. Rather than pay workers an honest wage and treat them fairly, they pay minimum wage, hiring lowest common denominator employees. But that's not how things start, oh no.

They usually start out by hiring knowledgeable local contractors and plenty of them to man their aisles. These helpful and courteous individuals then eventually create a feeling of professionalism in the store but, like all low-wage employees, they leave. Then the real help comes in but by that time you're already hooked on the wide aisles, plentiful lighting and beautiful displays. Besides, the local hardware store is closed by now.

I'm not sure what you're buying that's significantly more expensive than at the local Ace, but check again. Usually they are very competitive and can also offer things in smaller quantities. Do you really, really need 1,000 deck screws to repair a fence, even if they are only a cent apiece or will a dozen do at 5 cents apiece? There is no economy of scale if you buy things you don't need and then throw away the remainder or simply never use it.

What is the value of guys like Tim and Sid or Annie or especially Wendy at Ace in Nice? What about some of the folks at Kelseyville like Daniel or any of the Borghisanis? How about some of the fine folks at Piedmont like Hardware Heather or that guy in the garden department whose name I can NEVER remember?

FAIR competition begets FAIR pricing but big chains have the ability to start with low prices, run at a huge loss for a while, drive the competition out of business and then raise prices or offer inferior brands down the line. It's a common big box store business practice.

So before you feel "ripped off" look at the whole picture. And if you're on a limited income, how about saving money by not using the gasoline to drive to Ukiah and talking to your neighbors at the hardware store. Knowing how kind these people are, they may give you a better pricing structure. That's the kind of thing neighbors do and giant corporations never do.
I am going to spread a "Don't Go to Lowe"s" campaign stating NOW!
written by there_it_is, December 16, 2009
Mendo-mill JUST invested a huge amount in creating a large hardware/building supply store. Home Depot is in Ukiah and I quit going because they're selection wasn't that great, delivery is about $165 per time to Lake County and our local store are great. Kelseyville Lumber has become the Dream Building supply. Even their nuts and bolts are organized and have a visual sample to test the size so you don't leave with the wrong one and you can ID it by sight if you don't know the size or name. They are organized by type and size so once you find the spot you don't have to go all over the store to find the "other" place they might be. KL has many other conveniences and is a LOCAL BUSINESS gone great. Walmart has an auto section, other auto parts stores went out of business because they couldn't compete, now you can't get spark plugs at walmart. Why? Not a part of the high turn over formula. So now we have to go further than ever before to get something that simple. People always complain about Lake County "apathy" and "low level' businesses. Well=there you have it. If you are a local and you do a great job, there'll always be a local board or supervisors or committee to make sure it fails. (except their own of course)
Redneck
written by kd006, December 16, 2009
Hit the nail on the head, HD I was told some years ago had several "rollout" crews who moved around the country opening new stores, hiring and training then woosh off the the next one leaving behind half trained staff. I have never had a problem getting a good price on quanity or large purchases at the local supplys. When you take into account the fuel and time wasted to drive over the hill it usually does not make things any cheaper and if there is a problem then you have to drive back again. I can call a local supplier, give them a list and they call back with prices, try that with HD or Lowes. I am not going to take a hundred mile trip for a few deck screws because one of the big box stores sells them in the jumbo carton.

Not sure "there_it_is" Walmart does not carry much in their auto section, and there are three autoparts stores in Clearlake within a couple blocks of each other. If you go to Walmart and it's not on the shelf forget about asking, however Napa parts can and does get the item the next day in most cases if it's not in stock, they also will pull the parts and have them ready when you call ahead. So much for big box service!

Smart growth- a concept possible in Clearlake?
written by P51Mustang, December 16, 2009
The EPA gives an annual award for innovative communities with "Smart Growth" policies. “Smart Growth has an important role to play in building a new foundation for prosperity in communities across the nation. Innovative Smart Growth techniques give communities from urban to suburban to rural the chance to be environmentally sustainable and economically resilient.”
http://www.planetizen.com/node/42029

Does the city of Clearlake really need to fall victim to the urban hollowing-out syndrome of empty unleasable buildings and malls in pursuit of unreliable promises by developers?
Menod upgrade
written by Vogel, December 17, 2009
Sure mendo Mill remodeled the store but they are still charging way too much for tings. They have a captive customer base , no competition. Piedmont and Kelseyvill all charge way too much. I did some remodeling at my home , rented a truck and went to Lowes in Vacaville and saved a bit over $500 compaired to the bids from local stores. This included the rental truck. When I fenced my proberty I bought at Friedmans , rented a truck then also , saved $ 300 , fromt the bids at local stores. When i can save money like this , it proves to me the local stores are raping the people. We do most of our big shopping in Santa Rosa and Ukiah. The prices are much more fair. Why not allow some cometition into the area and keep our dollars in Clearlake. Why is everyone so dwon on progress? Are you not tired of being stolen from ??
Another way to use redevelopment money
written by skimbellauth, December 17, 2009
Early in the link several blogers commented that the redevelopment money should be used to bring business, tourists and opportuntiies to Lake County that do not already exists and that would not take away from local businesses. Personally, I believe an Amtrack station fits all those particlular requests. I realize that the 6.5 million they want to spend on Lowes is not enought to bring a railroad connection, and the necessary track, here but it would be a good start.
Lowes, Epa not necessary
written by moondreamer, December 17, 2009
Ahh, Lowes charges higher prices than Home Depot. That means they can afford to bribe the good ole boy network even more. Folks, wake up and smell the coffee - nothing matters politically around here except who has more bribe dollars & is willing to spend it.
Prices
written by hbhbglenn, December 18, 2009
When I first moved here in 93, I simply assumed that prices would be higher here. When I needed 400 feet of water pipe, I planned on hauling it from elsewhere to save a bunch of money, but got a quote from Mendo to use as a comparison.

As it turned out Mendo beat all the big boxes from as far away as Fremont, and they delivered it. Both Mendo and Four corners have taken excelent care of me ever since.

There have to be better things to do with that land. I remember when I could here that happy noise of wet kids, even through a closed window as I drove by. How about something for them.
Vogal
written by Nscale, December 18, 2009
Vogal, your postings just don't ring true. You say your on a fixed income, yet you seem to spend lots of money on hardware and lumber. And that you drive out of the county to buy most of every thing. Is your gas free?
I moved from SF 5 years ago and there I had to buy lots of hardware as I had property to maintain. I had to do much fixing and repairs here also, so I can say on almost any item the prices from Mendomill, Piedmont Lumber etc. are very competitive. IMO you sound like your making up facts, just like to rant or are a shill. Again my opinion. Every issue involving a big box store or housing development seems to get at least one or two posters that use almost the same words and rationals as you use. Very odd. It's is probably just my imagination.
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written by w8n4pizza, December 18, 2009
I'm not a fan of big box stores and large corporate entities. I like the "mom and pop" shops and I am willing to pay a little extra for them. Having said that, as a fairly new resident of Lake County I feel more welcome in Home Depot in Ukiah then most local stores around here - where if they don't know you their smile and friendliness go away real fast. If you want to increase tourism, trying welcoming the tourists.
Demand an EIR
written by herb, December 19, 2009
Demand that any business coming in here pay their own way.
Giving these guys 9 million bucks of taxpayer money is insane.
Mendo and 4 corners never got subsidized by the city. They have struggled and survived without a bailout from the government for years.
These guys show up with their hands out. Of course they can offer cheap prices.

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