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Supervisors discuss giving support to constitutional convention concept PDF Print E-mail
Written by Elizabeth Larson   
Thursday, 19 November 2009
LAKEPORT – With the state of the state leading to calls for a constitutional convention, the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday discussed giving its support for such an event.


Supervisor Anthony Farrington requested the board discussion on Repair California's proposed ballot amendments that he said would enable the public to call for the convention without relying on the state Legislature.


In a statement on its Web site, www.repaircalifornia.org , the group reported that it turned in ballot language on Oct. 28 that would call the state's first constitutional convention in more than 130 years in response to “a broken system of governance.”


Repair California's ballot measures would call a limited constitutional convention that would focus on four key processes – budget, election and initiative, restoring the balance of power between the state and local governments, and creating new systems to improve government effectiveness.


The convention, according to the group, is “specifically prohibited” from proposing tax increases; it also won't delve into such social issues as marriage, abortion, gambling, affirmative action,

freedom of the press, freedom of religion, immigration or the death penalty.


If the measures were approved, the November 2010 ballot would include a measure for voters to call the constitutional convention which would be held the following year. The reforms that would come out of the convention would have to go back to voters for final approval in 2012, when the issue would appear on one of three scheduled statewide elections.


Farrington said that the measures at one point called for delegates to the constitutional convention to be elected, which he suggested would have allowed the process to be swayed by public interests.


However, Repair California modified its measures so that conventional delegates will be elected from their districts.


“I think that is a huge amendment,” he said.


“The intent is to really repair a broken system,” which Farrington suggested they could all agree can't get much worse.


It's also meant to restore the balance of power between state and local governments while reducing the sway of special interest groups, limiting spending and reducing bureaucracy.


A Repair California fact sheet explains that there would be three different types of delegates – from the state's Assembly districts, its 58 counties and Indian tribes.


There would be three delegates chosen from each district for a total of 240. The state auditor would create a pool of 400 convention delegate candidates from each of 80 Assembly districts and contact them by mail; from those who respond favorably, 50 people would be invited to a meeting where they will learn about the process and then vote for three people to represent the district at the convention.


Each county also will select delegates, one for every 175,000 residents of each county. Counties with less than 175,000 residents would only have one delegate each.


Those county delegates will be chosen by a five-member delegate selection committee that would include two county supervisors, two mayors and a school board or board of education member. The committee would hold public meetings before making the decision. Anyone could apply for those delegate seats.


Four Indian tribe delegates would be chosen as representatives of federally recognized California tribes.


In all, 461 delegates would be chosen for the convention, according to Repair California's process chart.


The initiative's cost is estimated at $1.75 per state resident, Farrington said.


Farrington said there is a potential for a number of reform ballot measures to appear in addition to Repair California's. Another is by the group California Forward.


He said he felt there was no downside to demonstrating support for the measures.


Repair California already is collecting signatures, with its ballot language now being considered by the California Attorney General's Office, according to Farrington.


“I think it's a good measure” – albeit not perfect, but a step forward, he said.


Board Chair Denise Rushing said she also had considered bringing the issue to the board.


“I think it's imperative that we somehow deal with the fact that state government is dysfunctional,” she said.


The question is, what's the best way to fix the problem, Rushing said.


She explained that she's of the mind that you can't even steer a sailboat until the sail is up and it starts moving.


“There may be some better initiatives out there – I don't know that – but at this point we need to get moving on something in order to get the process changed,” Rushing said. “Maybe this is it.”


Rushing said she felt they needed to get moving, and asked county staff what would happen if they gave their support to Repair California's measures but other, better measures came forward.


County Administrative Officer Kelly Cox said they could take a simple majority vote to rescind a previous action to offer support if that was the case.


County Counsel Anita Grant suggested the board could offer general support to calling a constitutional convention without choosing any particular measure at this time.


Supervisor Rob Brown said he supported taking that path.


He said he had some problems with the measure. While it included a well-written nondiscrimination policy, it also called for delegations of tribal members, which he felt was a matter of race.


Farrington said the tribes were being considered sovereign nations and were given representation for that reason, not because of race.


Brown said that the tribal members could be representatives of the county at large, and not just held to a tribal limitation. “If you're going to have anti-discrimination it should be anti-discrimination on both sides.”


He said it's naïve to think that if they're only going to have four tribal representatives for the entire state that all tribes would be represented. Rather, it would be the specific interests of the tribes whose members made it into the delegation. Farrington said he believes there will be more than four tribal groups represented.


Supervisor Jim Comstock said he had concerns similar to those of Brown's. “I can support the concept but the devil's in the details,” he said.


Supervisor Jeff Smith also suggested supporting the convention but waiting to see what shakes out, because he believed some aspects of the proposed measure “could come back and bite us.”


Farrington told fellow board members, “Nobody's going to agree with everything that's in every ballot initiative,” he said.


He said one of the things he liked about Repair California's proposal is that it treats convention delegates as if they were elected officials, holding them to the same disclosure rules.


“This is a really big deal, this constitutional convention,” said Rushing.


Board members voiced a hope that such a convention could bring forward a better version of government.


Rushing noted that the state's current constitution has had more than 450 amendments.


While elected officials are sworn to defend the federal and state constitution, California's constitution has become “indefensible,” Comstock said, and Rushing agreed.


Farrington proposed to bring the matter back to the board next month with proposed language changes.


“We're only gonna get one shot at doing this, and it should be done with some substance, and minimize the political correctness,” said Brown.


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My guess is that the first things that will get the ax.......
written by chubcobear, November 19, 2009
will be Prop 13 and the 2/3 vote requirement for legislature for tax increases. IF, and/or when, that happens, it will be a free-for-all.
The mostly liberal democrat law-makers will tax Californians into oblivion. I'm headed outa state anyway, so good luck with your "constitutional convention" to tax and spend hell.
PROCEED WITH CAUTION
written by number1, November 19, 2009
The only thing that has limited the reckless spending in CA is Prop 13 and the 2/3 tax increase reqmnt. Why should the BOS support this effort without knowing the details? They should not. First of all, BOS support will likely make no difference so in the chance there are harmful details (it is a Trojan horse aimed at Prop 13 etc.) why allow them to put Lake County on the support list. Govt is running too fast and passing too many non-understood pieces of legislation. Slow down and understand what you are doing.
Well chubcobear - cutting and
written by Donna Christopher, November 19, 2009
running is always a option. So is staying and trying to correct a mess. I'm sure the Founding Fathers could have followed your lead and we'd be discussing what to have at high tea instead of how to right this ship of State. Kudos to the Board & staff for looking into this seriously - I think we're getting close to critical mass! And don't send Rob - Lake County already looks like we are nothing but a bunch of yahoos - don't confirm that notion.
Time for a change
written by lake2788, November 19, 2009
California's government is broken (as well as broke). This is an opportunity to fix it and the BOS should support that opportunity. chubcobear: The proposed Convention is prohibited from adding taxes. number1:It is because "Govt is running too fast and passing too many non-understood pieces of legislation" that there is a need for a Constitutional Convention.
This is an opportunity for California to evolve instead of having a ship-of-state wreck or a revolution.
The BOS and California citizens should support this chance.
Changing Calif's Constitution
written by Showland, November 19, 2009
I'm pleased to see the Supervisors are considering this, a much needed change. And I'll vote for Denise Rushing to be Lake County's Delegate.
Shirley Howland
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written by bearer, November 19, 2009
The only purpose of the call for convention is to do away with the 2 key protections Californians voted for themselves.

What we have with the BOS voting to support this is politicians looking out for their own personal self interests.

Why would any free people want a simple majority to have the [power to tax anything they want at any given time.

We need to address the real problem which is spending, not give the government a bigger bank account.

Your politicians want you to vote for them to be able to take more money from you.

Aye, bearer, you may have marked it well......
written by chubcobear, November 19, 2009
for if they can remove the protections, then they can tax for the future. They do not think we need to stop spending, no sir, they think we need a way to ease the ability to tax. Mark well. They will find a way to allow ease in taxing first,..... first, then there will be "reform". The protections that bearer speaks about will go away,..... first!
--Tom Chubco Bear
Glad to hear you're going
written by hbhbglenn, November 19, 2009
The problem in California is that the poor pay 11 percent of their income in taxes, the middle class 9% and the rich 7%. The only way to tax the rich more is to end the minority stranglehold enjoyed by the Republicans, by ending the two thirds requirement for revenue bills. Until then we will continue to see endless suffering by ordinary people while the wealthy bathe in the wealth we create for them.

My big question is how do they get ordinary people to champion their greedy cause? Why do working class people such as Chubcobear (or are you a millionaire?), demand that the legislature punish us with economy destroying layoffs and fee hikes, so as not to inconvience the wealthy?

We could end all of our budget problems by sensibly taxing the wealthy and the corporations, but they unfortunatly control too many of our minds.
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written by bearer, November 19, 2009
I love when people pull up numbers out of nowhere.

First, the common taxes such as sale taxes are linked to the amount of taxable items a person buys.

Second, the hidden taxes are the ones paid before the consumers get the end product they buy.

Third, the use taxes, like phone, electric are subject to usage and the poor get subsidised and pay lower costs.

You could end all budget problems buy controlling spending.

How many people in lake county get 2 weeks paid vacation after the first year? How many get 5 days paid sick days? How many citizens get a month paid vacation after 15 years on the job? Your county employees do.

Someone really needs to explain why the state employees need protection from the state government.
to Bearer - of other people's thoughts
written by hbhbglenn, November 19, 2009
Go to http://www.ctj.org/html/whopays.htm and see how all states are skewed this way. There are hard statistics showing our state's exact rates. I just don't happen to have those right now. (slightly lower then national)

What you refer to as spending is funding schools and taking care of the elderly and disabled.

The idea that by ending public worker's vacations we could balance the budget is ludicrous and mean spirited.

Do a computer search and see how much the wealthy are screwing us. They gobbled up way more then half of all our economic growth from the last few years, refuse to give anything back, and don't even need to defend such an outrage because folks like you do it for them.

Why not defend your own interests instead of the wealthy's?
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written by bearer, November 19, 2009
You are missing the entire point.

The democrats controlling our state have already put all these taxes on the poor through use and sin taxes. Every tax that is added to consumer goods is a tax raise on the poor and middle class.

The Government is one of the largest employers in this county. The point I am making is, why do government employees deserve higher benefits than the average citizen? Why do we as citizens put up with these same employees bloating their compensation packages so they can retire with a higher salary than the recieved while working?

I have no idea where you get the schools comment from. I am guessing you are throwing out a distraction from the topic with that.

You want to know who is gobbling up our state money? Try the democrat politicians buddies through grants. Try the unions that fund the politicians so they can increase the state government unions size.

Again, someone please explain why state employees need defending from the government?

It is beginning to appear to a lot of Americans that the citizens need protection from the government.
BTW
written by bearer, November 19, 2009
Your link shows CA to be the least regressive tax state. Something is screwy with that
...
written by hbhbglenn, November 19, 2009
All of you venom is directed toward working class people. Its very similar to the manufactured conflict between field slaves and house slaves that served the masters well back in the days of non-voluntary slavery.

The reason the legislature keeps coming up with regressive taxes, is that the Republicans zealously gaurd the fortunes of the rich. If we could do away with the two thirds requirement, they couldn't, and MAYBE the Democrats would finally get the rich to pay their fair share - if we demand it - possibly.

Schools are not a distraction. They are one of the main sources of "spending" (spending is defined as money that goes anywhere other then to the rich). They are in deep trouble now because of the absolute refusal to tax the rich more then what they pay now. The Universities are bumping tuition up 30 percent, because the wealthy don't want to contribute.

Before we force the issue we have to understand it.

why do you keep bringing up school?
written by bearer, November 19, 2009
WHy do leftists always try to make someone else up as venomous, or racist (donna spell check) or any other of the list of names in the Alinsky book?

The richest people is CA are democrats, go look it up. Almost all of the rich Republicans have left already.

The legeslature comes up with regressive taxes because that is the only way the democrats can continue tricking their base. You want the truth?

Democrats hate their poor base. The find things the poorest people in the state use and then tax it. Cigarettes? Beer? Lottery tickets. Go down the list, everything that poor people are subject to using is taxed at a high rate.

As far as manufactured conflicts, the leftists are the master manipulators. The democrats refuse to allow Americans to assimilate into one culture. Instead everyone is divided up into groups that are picked on or deserve special attention. Democrats can only survive if there is segragation, which by the way they were for during the civil rights era in the 60s.

Bearer, if more Californians thought like you
written by chubcobear, November 19, 2009
I'd stay in California. I am not rich and I cannot afford to be retired here. Can't stand the political correctness and "tax and spend" mentality, and there are better states with better economies to the east.
I think the problem is
written by bearer, November 19, 2009
people vote party lines without knowing who they are voting for.

The greatest generation still votes democrat out of party loyalty. They do not know how far left the democrats are now, or the fact the Republicans are the democrat party of the 50's.

most states reassess property
written by boondoggle, November 19, 2009
ever year or so. In New York State a 70,000 house has $5000. property tax bill. almost 10 percent. there is a plan to split the tax rolls in CA. let income property get reassessed while homes will not be reassessed. At a time when rents are low this will be a disaster from small investors. There is a reason why constituional conventions are dangerous it opens up a can of worms
hbhbglenn, do you know what you're talking about?
written by essay, November 20, 2009
That link you provided states, "California has the most progressive income tax in the country" in that the rich are taxed more than the poor and seems to contradict your argument totally.

Of course, this brings it's own problems as corporations and businesses move out of state, taking away jobs and investment, to states that are cheaper to do business in.
Native American Tribal Representation Included in Proposed State Constitutional Convention
written by annaraven4, November 20, 2009
Many thanks to Supervisor Anthony Farrington for his accurate and well informed depiction of Federally Recognized Tribes. Tribal inclusion in the proposed State Constitutional Convention is based on their long recognized status as sovereign nations under Federal law. Their jurisdictions are within California's borders, and they contribute to the State's economy by paying taxes via privately owned Casino enterprises. For these reasons alone they should be voting members of the Convention.
Hello fantasy world
written by hbhbglenn, November 20, 2009
The Democrats are far left? good god, don't we wish!
The real problem we have is that there is no way to discuss issues with people who see a fantasy instead of a reality.

The schools are one of the biggest sources of the "spending" you want to control. We continualy cut and cut INSTEAD OF taxing the rich at incrementaly larger percentages. Do you see?

Why do they get away with this? Because so many of us live in fantasy world where our problems are caused by Mexicans and the Dems are far left. You guys would rather plunge headlong into a depression then tax the rich - which by the way you ain't.

How to they finagle such loyalty? Why would working class people do intelectual summersaults to defend the thievery of the "Masters"?

I wish I knew.
State education budget is 57 billion dollars,
written by bearer, November 20, 2009
SO as a leftist you are suggesting that the schools are the place money is take from?

You lefties hate children too?

It follows suit I guess, we have an Federal attorney general that supports child prostitution.

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