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House passes health care reform bill Saturday PDF Print E-mail
Written by Elizabeth Larson   
Sunday, 08 November 2009
WASHINGTON, DC – By a slim margin, the House of Representatives on Saturday night passed a bill meant to overhaul the nation's health care system.


The 220 to 215 vote on HR 3962, Affordable Health Care for America Act, was taken late Saturday evening, and fell largely along party lines, although 39 Democrats voted no and one Republican – Rep. Joseph Cao of Louisiana – voted yes, according to C-SPAN.


Responding to news of the vote, President Barack Obama maintained that the legislation is fully paid for and will reduce the nation's long-term federal deficit.


“Thanks to the hard work of the House, we are just two steps away from achieving health insurance reform in America,” he said. “Now the United States Senate must follow suit and pass its version of the legislation. I am absolutely confident it will, and I look forward to signing comprehensive health insurance reform into law by the end of the year.”


During the lengthy hearing Saturday Republicans argued that the bill would cost $1.3 trillion to affect a limited number of Americans, with higher taxes for almost everyone.


Earlier this month, the Republicans had attempted to introduced their own, 230-page health care plan, which they said would result in no job losses – as opposed to the 5.5 million jobs they asserted would be lost with HR 3962 – and would avoid $500 billion in Medicare cuts and prevent $729.5 billion in tax increases, according to a bill summary.


A summary of HR 3962 provided by the House Committee on Energy and Commerce states that HR 3962 would include sliding scale affordability credits, cap annual out-of-pocket spending, create the Health Insurance Exchange, expand Medicaid and improve Medicare by fixing the Part D drug program.


Employers will have the option of providing health insurance coverage for their workers or contributing funds on their behalf or else face a 2-percent penalty; businesses with payroll under $500,000 will be exempt from the employer responsibility requirement.


The Congressional Budget Office released figures estimating a projected net cost of $891 billion over 10 years for the proposed expansions in insurance coverage. HR 3962 is estimated to increase outlays by $672 billion and would increase revenues by $781 billion between 2010 and 2019.


The costs are expected to be partly offset by $167 billion in collections of penalties paid by individuals and employers.


Based on Congressional Budget Office estimates, the bill would result in a net reduction in federal budget deficits of $109 billion over the 2010-19 period, with slight reductions in the federal deficit in the decade after that. However, the office noted that the estimates “ are all subject to substantial uncertainty.”


The Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Committee on Taxation estimated that HR 3962 will reduce the number of nonelderly people who are not insured by about 36 million, leaving about 18 million people – of which an estimated one third would be unauthorized immigrants – without insurance. The percentage of legal nonelderly residents covered by insurance is estimated to rise from 83 percent to 96 percent.


The Saturday debate over the bill in the House was long and passionate.


“It's not a Republican or a Democratic thing,” but a question of whether America is going to be a healthy nation, said Rep. Charles Rangel (D-New York).


But the aisle between the parties widened into a deep ideological divide over the bill.


Republicans questioning what they said where high costs, an 8-percent inflation rate and, as Rep. John Kline (R-Minnesota) phrased it, “a huge morass” of government bureaucracy contained in the nearly 2,000-page bill. Kline also worried about the “super bureaucrat” who would oversea the creation of these health care benefits.


They also argued against the bill, which they said was not a bipartisan effort.


Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio), the House minority leader, said the country has been hit by a “difficult economic shock” over the last year. He said huge government spending efforts like the stimulus bill haven't helped, and said the government was on an “unsustainable” course.


Boehner suggested the health care bill would wreak havoc on the country, saddle citizens with huge debt loads, cost over $1.3 trillion and kill millions of US jobs.


“The American people want us to focus on getting our economy moving again,” said Boehner, who suggested nothing will diminish job prospects more than the bill.


At the same time, he said no attention was being paid to the giant government bureaucracy that will be built to accommodate the bill's mandates.


The American people, Boehner said, want two things from health care reform – lower costs and more choices, but he said HR 3962 accomplishes neither, and actually does the opposite on both counts.


Others raised concerns about the heavy penalties for those who don't follow the new insurance rules. Those who don't comply will be subject to violations of the Internal Revenue Service code which could result in prison and huge penalties.


Democrats said the bill was a historic step and a health care milestone


Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said the legislation will make a big difference for many people. She said it will prevent women from being charged more for the same care as men and allow young people to stay on their parents' health insurance until age 27.


The bill, according to Pelosi, was the result of 100 congressional hearings and more than 3,000 town hall meetings nationwide, which she said made it a better bill than a previous health care effort,HR 3200. More than 300 groups have expressed support for the bill, said Pelosi – including the American Medical Association, AARP and the American Cancer Society.


Pelosi also remembered the late Sen. Edward Kennedy, who she said had called health care reform “the great unfinished business of our society,” with the country's character at stake.


North Coast Congressman Mike Thompson (D-St. Helena) spoke in support of the bill, noting in his comments on the House floor that for too long too many Americans have not had access to quality, affordable health care.


He said the bill will remedy that, eliminate co-pays or deductibles for preventive care services, allow people to take their coverage with them, prevent denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions and prevent high medical bills bankrupting families. Thompson said the Congressional Budget Office estimated the bill will reduce the deficit by at least $30 billion over 10 years.


“Now, there’s still a lot more work to be done and we’re going to fix the doctor reimbursement issue to ensure the best access for our seniors in regard to getting health care,” Thompson said. “But today is an historic day for all Americans. It moves us one step closer to quality, affordable health care for all Americans.”


Among the federal agencies that would be responsible for implementing the bill, according to the Congressional Budget Office, are the IRS and Health and Human Services, with each requiring an estimated $5 billion to $10 billion over 10 years to implement the bill.


See Thompson's comments at www.youtube.com/CongressmanMThompson#p/a/u/0/GW23HDggKSc .


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Who Needs Health Care?
written by Hal, November 08, 2009
I don't have Health Care & I don't think anyone else should either. I'm a veteran but won't go to VA because it's subsidized by the government & I don't like socialism. I won't sign up for Medicare because I don't want the government taking my x-rays like they do in England and Canada. Governments should make profit and war, not health care and food. Before you know it, the government won't let seniors eat pet food and will regulate the amount of sugar in soft drinks. I say if we want fat obese children, let us have them. Especially without health care.
I kinda figured that.......
written by chubcobear, November 08, 2009
Thompson would run with the pack and vote "yes" to this pile of "taxation and regulation" of health care. It's a con job that will cost us and our children a fortune in the future. If you thot you were regulated now, just wait for this boondoggle to kick in. Let us hope that sounder minds dwell in the senate, and they kill this "abortion".
Good one Hal - one of
written by Donna Christopher, November 08, 2009
my acquaintances was stating how concerned she was with all this 'socialism' taking over America. I asked her if she was willing to give up her social security and medicare. She replied (and I kid you not) "no, not that kind of socialism". I then asked her if she was going to be able to pave the roads, build the bridges, water treatment plants, sewer systems, school systems and fund the military by herself. "No, not that kind of socialism" Heavy sigh.
Better to be...
written by thekattb4u, November 08, 2009
taxed and regulated by the government than by corporations. For years, I have had Blue Cross telling me what medical care I can and can't have. The cost of their coverage has increased 100% in the past 10 years while my income has dropped 85% (requiring me to lower my coverage to the bare minimum). I would much rather have a non-profit government agency between me and my health care than a for-profit corporation calling the shots. At least I can lobby and vote out the government regulators. I have no way of voting out the CEO's of Blue Cross and Blue Shield. I'll take socialized health care over capitalistic health care anyday. There is no place for "profit" in the health care industry (or in any industry involved in taking care of public needs).

Capitalism is a great way of redistributing non-essential manufactured goods, but can not be depended on to take care of critical needs (such as fire and police protection, energy, health care, food, and water). These need to be available to all through a socialized system. We now have socialized fire and police protection, and hopefully we will soon have universal socialized health care, water, food, and energy.
LAKE
written by a guest, November 08, 2009
WILL GROW AS THERE IS NO KAISER HERE.
Outstanding bi partisan message
written by bearer, November 08, 2009
in the passage of this bill. The fact that Pelosi could only garner a bare minimum to pass this proves that representitives from moderate areas of the country are fearful of this leftist agenda Obama and company are on.

The fact she did it late at night leaves many Americans with the distinct taste of backroom deals and hiding of facts.

The fact the democrats voted for this without actually reading it again proves that they are not representing their voters. It shows the elite looking down on the common people and we all know how that worked out in France.

There is no victory in a legislative body passing any bills railroaded without bi parisan work.

The victory many see in this is hollow. All it has done is put politicians in a box they can not get out of. Votes, like elections have consequences.

Socialism
written by bearer, November 08, 2009
Hey Donna, In case you did not notice, everyone of your "socialisms" operates at a deficit, is administered poorly, is full of fraud, and in the case of two of them, bancrupt.

SSI was a ponzi scheme made up by FDR to get votes in a givaway program. If you are not up to date on this, there will soon be no money to pay for the current seniors.

But wait. Crap and tax and healthcare paid for 5 years before anyone can use it is the new way to head off paying the piper in the scam. All ponzi schemes fall apart if the money stops coming in.
Bearer - regarding the health care bill - one of
written by Donna Christopher, November 08, 2009
dems voting against it was Kucinich (and there were others) because it doesn't go far enough. Our Blue Dog Mike did vote for it. My apologies that the R's were only able to come up with a bill that covered about 7 million LESS folks and cost more. So was it okay when the R's shoved stuff down everyone elses throats during Dumya's reign of terra but the shoe on the other foot doesn't fit so well, does it?

So are you suggesting that we not invest in roads, bridges, schools, electrical grids, sewers, water and our military? And you have to admit that our military is a huge financial loss - I assume it's safe to say your bumper stickers sez Don't Support the Troops - They're Welfare Deadbeats? Well sunshine - good luck on that personal expedition I assume you'll be taking to get Bin Laden.

All other industrialized nations have been able to pull off Universal Heath care and have far better numbers than we do on infant mortality, longevity and overall health. Perhaps you are right bearer, guess America is no longer up to the challenge of great things.
Socialism?
written by Fran, November 08, 2009
As for Social Security (as distinct from SSI) and Medicare, these are not and should not be lumped with other "socialist" entitlement programs. This is real money that we have been paying into the system for many years, and rightfully should be getting back, with interest. Socialism perhaps, but a "different kind" indeed.
I believe you are mistaken
written by bearer, November 08, 2009
Thompson is not a blue dog. He is as wacky as Pelosi.

The R program cost 700 billion less and would have used money already allocated to be spent this year and woul;d have covered everyone. But you never read it did you. Let me guess. Kos is your news site?

The votes will matter and have consequences, but keep listening to your democrat spinners.

I am pointing to the fact that the government programs are corrupt, whether by union influence, like the CTA, SEIU, or any of the other public employee unions or by plain out corruption in Government employees. If you honestly believe we are getting value for our tax dollars, well you might just be a Democrat. The rest of us see wasted money.

Why is it that the top numbers in millionares in Washington are democrats?

Why is it that the top numbers the senate and house in CA are Democrats?

Why do these same politicians leave office multi millionares?

Government grafting? Stealing from the citizens?

Why are there more Democrats with ethic violations than ever in the house and Pelosi refuses to let the investigations continue?

They are not looking out for Americans. They are steaing our money for their friends and themselves.

But you go ahead and believe the millionare Democrats are in it for the common people.
Government agencie...
written by herb, November 08, 2009

If the Post Office can deliver a letter door to door from Seattle to Miami in 2 days for 47 cents with a 99.2% accuracy rate while paying its workers a decent wage and full benefits and retirement...if they can deliver my health care like that, I'll take it.
I'm so glat thew GOP was booted out
written by allen, November 08, 2009
They hate government and simply refuse to govern well. I'm glad the Democrats are getting this done. If they can get things done, they'll get re-elected.
...
written by bearer, November 08, 2009
The Postal Service will run out of money this year unless it gets help, the postmaster general, John E. Potter told Congress on Wednesday as he sought permission to cut delivery to five days a week.

“We are facing losses of historic proportion,” Mr. Potter said. “Our situation is critical.”

The agency lost $2.8 billion last year and is facing the likelihood of much larger losses this year, despite a rate increase scheduled to take effect May 11.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/washington/26postal.html

Indicator of the government running health care?

Average family will pay 17% of pretax wages to insurance program.

Yay for big goverment tax.
My favorite part of the weekend -
written by Donna Christopher, November 09, 2009
besides the approval of the Health care bill -was the Sunday talking heads shows that were filmed on Friday - they were all so sure this bill would go down in flames.

The majority of Americans want some type of public option for their fellow Americans shut out of the private sector by said sector's unmitigated greed. Hopefully the new law will allow small businesses that were being hobbled by exhorbitant health care costs to now be able to get their employees into the public option, thus opening up that money to be used for hiring new employees.
Back to the cut and paste talking points I see
written by bearer, November 09, 2009
You do not even have a clue how the bill is written up do you?

Those evil insurance companies yo hate are still major players with guarunteed customers paying $1000s of dollars to them now or go to jail.

The democrats are the insurance companies, but your blind idealogy make you a drone.
No need 4 cutnpaste
written by Donna Christopher, November 09, 2009
I have much more than a clue as to how this bill is written. Do you have a clue that it still has one more meat grinder to go thru? My favorite parts are the 'if you don't get insurance you pay a penalty' combined 'with the no pre-existing conditions can be refused'. Pay the fine - if something bad happens then buy the insurance with your government voucher. If we keep voting in idiots that work rules to benefit their wallets - it's time we followed suit. Do most of the D's have big insurance stank on them? You bet. But if you think the R's smell like a fresh spring rain - well, it is harvest season so that might explain your confusion. Dude smilies/grin.gif And did you see the Sunday talking heads? It was freakin' hilarious. That's the crap most Americans absorb - any wonder we are up an unsanity tributary with no adequate means of propulsion?
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written by bearer, November 09, 2009
Then you know the basic outline of the bill is this:

Tax is there 214 times.
Fee is there 103 times.

I don't watch Oberleman or Racheal Maddow so I did not see any of the idoitic tirades of nothingness.
Hey donna, I did hear a funny talking head.
written by bearer, November 09, 2009
Mr. I get a tingle in my pants Matthews said,

"See - we have a problem," Matthews said. "How do we know when someone like Hasan is going to make his move and do we know he's an Islamist until he's made his move? He makes a phone call or whatever, according to Reuters right now. Apparently he tried to contact al Qaeda. Is that the point at which you say, ‘This guy is dangerous?' That's not a crime to call up al Qaeda, is it? Is it? I mean, where do you stop the guy?"

This is the voice of the democratic party.

Bearer - you know not of which you speak
written by Donna Christopher, November 10, 2009
The 3 talking heads you mentioned don't work the weekend talking head circuit. The idiots I was referring to would be Monica Crowley, Pat Buchanan, McLaughlin et al. I'm glad you spent so much time on a bill that will not look anything like it's current form after the senate gets done with it. Make sure you spend lots of time on that one too - then when you're done gnashing your teeth and rending your garments remember it won't go into effect until after the 2012 elections - which means it won't ever go into effect.

The only thing Matthew's voice is good for is scaring the birds away from your fruit trees. The voice of the Republican party is the Drugster and Mooseshooter. You must be so proud. Heck of a job they did getting that house seat into the hand D's hands - a district in New York that had R representation since the Civil War.

And the really, REALLY sad part about this is you think one of these parties gives a sh*t about you. Ha!
Oops, my bad - I hear Tweety Bird does film
written by Donna Christopher, November 10, 2009
a weekend talking head show - I'm sure David Brooks added some doom n gloom to keep it balanced. Tweety bird did ask a good question bearer - at what point do you step in with a guy like Hasan? After the fact there is all kinds of evidence this bastard was a ticking time bomb that was getting ignored because of not enough shrinks to deal with the horrid way we keep sending the same folks back for multiple deployments. And is it illegal to call Al-Qaeda? I'd love to call'em up and tell them all their virgins waiting for them after they blow themselves up are all dudes. And where would you find their phone number? Directory assistance?smilies/grin.gif You have a good day sunshine, try to avoid sharp objects.
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written by bearer, November 10, 2009
LOL you really do miss the what stares you in the face. Now you defend a terrorist by rationing that he had ptsd when he never went to Iraq or Afg?
On top of that you defend a guy that wants to pour oil down Americans beheaded bodies by saying that it is ok a guy like him contacts Americas sworn enemy?

My GOD, is there no level a progressive won't stoop to?

By the way, if you researched the NY23 thing, you would find a democrat there as late as 1993. Just because the tv says it is so does not make it so.

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