Comments for Runner: Gang crime solution found in Proposition 6 at http://lakeconews.com , comment 1 to 7 out of 7 comments http://lakeconews.com Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:56:19 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/5245/925/#comment-6978 in jail was a solution to the criminal activities of gangs then why are there still gangs? And gang crime? America has more people in jail than any other nation - doesn\'t appear that is the solution. Got to be a better way. - Donna Christopher Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:49:26 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/5245/925/#comment-6976 If those conservatives want more police state, then they should pay more. The first thing I would do would be to roll back proposition 13 protections for commercial real estate. That would really make them howl, but the truth is police and fiore protection for commercial property is much more expensive than it is for our homes. Second, it is the counties and cities who provide most of the police. Let the counties and cities raise the funds themselve. We don\'t need an urban gang-related state mandate for Lake County. - allen Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:36:48 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/5245/925/#comment-6971 We need to stop blaming one party and not the other.Both are to blame.Two heads of the same monster.Stop being good Democrats,stop being good Republicans.Start being good Americans.One hundred senators,435 congressmen,one president and nine supreme court justices 545 humans out of 300 million are directly,legally,morally,and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.The tax code is unfair,because they want it.the budget is in the red, because they want it.Marines are in Afganistan,Iraq,and now Russia, because they want it.I can only pray Iran is not next,but it looks that way.God help us, our elected officialls sure arent. - DDean Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:14:47 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/5245/925/#comment-6963 it\'s so simple these days -- a caveman could do it! :wink: - taxismom Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:48:48 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/5245/925/#comment-6962 Thank you Taxismom, you did a masterful job of factually exposing yet another instance of Republican lies and deceptions. - inov8tiv Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:34:05 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/5245/925/#comment-6959 As fast as he can -- If it is at all possible to do any more damage, these guys will work hard to find ways to do it. State Sen. George Runner (R-Antelope Valley) and Assemblywoman Sharon Runner (R-Lancaster) are looking to compound the failure of America\'s drug war by making it even nastier and more costly to Californians. The Runner initiative would: Result in cuts to schools, healthcare, eldercare and other vital services. Create more unfunded mandates - which these guys are supposed to oppose. * Cost the State General Fund upwards of $1 billion in FY 2009-2010, $500 million in the subsequent year, AND more each year thereafter for prisons, jails, and law enforcement costs. * Burden county and city budgets with unfunded mandates, resulting in cuts to locally funded programs. * Provide for no additional revenue, therefore requiring cuts in healthcare, eldercare, education and other vital services. * Increase incarceration rates at the state and local level, especially among minors and young persons from communities of color. * Take money currently available to counties for mental health and drug treatment services for youth, and give those moneys entirely to probation departments. * Change California law in numerous ways. The initiative is a 30-page wish-list, loaded with costly measures that failed passage in State Senate and Assembly Public Safety, Appropriations, or Budget Committees, including prosecuting more 14-year-olds as adults and sending more adults to prison for drug use. While the Runner Initiative is bad for California as a whole, certain communities would feel the brunt of these bad policies. The Runner Initiative would: * Create a legal presumption that minors as young as 14-years of age will be tried as adults if accused of specified \"gang related\" crimes. This creates an unfair burden on a young person to prove they are young in the eyes of the law * Create a govt. agency to fund background checks to remove people from their homes if one of their family is found to have drugs. * Prohibit bail to undocumented immigrants charged with certain crimes and require local sheriffs to inform Immigration Central Enforcement (ICE) of the arrest of undocumented persons. * Enhances penalties for people who are said to be gang members based on unreliable gang database. LAO Summary of Fiscal Effects This measure would have the following fiscal effects: Net state costs likely to exceed a half billion dollars annually primarily for increased funding of criminal justice programs, as well as for increased costs for prison and parole operations. Unknown one-time state capital outlay costs potentially exceeding a half billion dollars for prison facilities. Unknown net fiscal impact for state trial courts, county jails, and other local criminal justice agencies. The LAO report here: http://www.lao.ca.gov/ballot/2007/070919.aspx Not to mention the indictment of the major money man behind this mess Major Funder of Proposition 6 Indicted on 21 Charges Billionaire Henry Nicholas III, who donated millions to get two crime-related initiatives on the November ballot, was arraigned on June 16, 2008, on an 18-page, 21-count indictment that includes charges of supplying prostitutes to big-ticket customers, drug use and trafficking, conspiracy, security fraud and making death threats. Nicholas donated a combined total of $5.9 million of critical seed money to Senator George Runner (R-Antelope Valley) and Assemblymember Todd Spitzer (R-Orange) for their \"tough-on-crime\" initiatives. The media storm has forced both campaigns to distance themselves from Nicholas, who has resigned his active role in both campaigns. While Assemblyman Spitzer has committed not to spend any of the remaining $2 million their campaign has raised from Nicholas, it was the crucial seed money donated by Nicholas that helped to put both initiatives on the ballot. http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/06/business/fi-nicholas6 - taxismom Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:58:27 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/5245/925/#comment-6958 propose to squeeze gangs without squeezing the tax payer, what will you squeeze, and why not being clear and specific about what essential services or salaries you intend to cut, rather than using the same old tired smoke screen of attack against the Democrats? Wasn\'t it under Clinton that law enforcement personal was greatly increased, and didn\'t the republicans oppose everything Clinton stood for and attempted to achieve? If your proposition 6 is so great, why not explain it succinctly here? We all know politicians can be succinct, particularly when they avoid answering a question or discussing a controversial topic. If you truly have something good and honest to propose, why present it in a negative manner? Of course this is a rhetorical question. - Raphael Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:07:44 +0100