Comments for Morgan: Save on gas by using water? at http://lakeconews.com , comment 1 to 17 out of 17 comments http://lakeconews.com Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:42:56 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4639 Sannan, You ask your friends about using water instead of gasoline? If you had gone to the site I recommended - http://hytechapps.com/aquygen/hhos - you would know that HHO at this point in time is being suggested as a supplement to help improve gasoline mileage. There have yet to be any HHO cars you can go out and purchase that run solely on HHO gas. However, I have seen online ads for conversion kits that supposedly add HHO gas to your car\'s gasoline. Have you ever been in an all-electric car - other than a golf cart? I have. Riding in an electric car is a unique experience. An electric car sounds very different from a gasoline-driven automobile. In fact, the noise reminds me of a sewing machine. The Georgia Power Company has had many of its employees driving electric cars to and from work for years. For short commutes, electric cars are great. The problem with all-electric cars is the battery life. It drains rather quickly. You cannot use an electric car for long-distance travel. If you could, I would definitely want to own one. Rural Northern California would be a great place for them. - lamar Sat, 10 May 2008 21:38:42 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4592 to be true, it probably is. Since I know that I know nothing about cars. I asked a couple of friends about this water to gas advertising. Here are their replies. [b]From a guy who\'s been studying cars since he was about 10:[/b] Yes it works. Just not the way they say since the energy required to make the stuff exceeds the amount you get from the product. Net loss. Of course if all the energy to make it were from passive sources or solar panels that consumed little or no energy to make... But then where do you store all the highly flammable gas? Remember the Pinto! [b]And this from an engineer friend:[/b] IMHO: the science behind this is crap. (I wonder, doesn\'t ANYONE pay attention in chemistry class anymore? As I recall, the basic equation shows energy is required for electrolysis, more than the hydrogen will provide in the end unless you develop cold fusion) Hydrogen is a better battery than an energy source. Best alternative energy bet is still the electric car with solar, though creating the panels and batteries is energy intensive, they produce more than they take to make them. - sannan Fri, 09 May 2008 12:10:44 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4441 Here is the web address for the folks who are bringing so much attention to HHO Gas as a means to fight the high cost of gasoline. Check it out for yourself and get a little education at http://hytechapps.com/aquygen/hhos. I doubt there are many folks who live in Lake County who can afford to give up their car to help the environment. I also doubt there are many interested in making bio-diesel fuel from grease collected at restaurants for running in a diesel-powered car. So, if you want to fight the high cost of gasoline, what option do you have? Can you really afford to walk or take the Lake County Transit everywhere you need to go? - lamar Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:06:02 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4437 negativity without looking at the facts? It is truly amazing to see people having so many strong opinions and so little knowledge, but it sadly seems to characterize Lake County. Hey nobody is forcing anyone to save on gas, if you love to see your money go down the exhaust pipe that\'s your prerogative...or if you think the powers that be will soon implement a national program for cheap energy, keep on dreaming! But I will give HHO a try, all the technical points brought up here have been covered and resolved by this technology, that is not new, it is true, but that some innovative people have found a way to easily and cheaply implement, and that is constantly improving through individual and clever experimentations. Now if you hear an explosion somewhere in Lake County, that will probably be me...:lol: - Raphael Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:04:10 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4439 Thank you for the smile and say when your right your right. That lying bureaucrat needs to be flushed. SEMPER FI - James Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:39:42 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4436 Just visit the website below and decide for yourself if there is a future for HHO gas in your automobile. Here is the link - http://www.hytechapps.com/aquygen/hhos. - lamar Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:58:30 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4434 has been with us for too long and it all needs to be flushed. Semper Fi - lcsage Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:16:23 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4433 Scam artists can\'t change facts. The energy balance equation shows that more energy goes into freeing the hydrogen than you recover from igniting it. Then there is the fact that a 12 volt battery will not separate enough hydrogen to run a vehicle or even significantly improve the mileage beyond the energy used to separate it. Brown\'s gas can be used as a fuel supplement with the hydrogen component having an affect on the burn rate and lean burn limit of hydrocarbon fuels and improve gas mileage. But the fact is that the hydrogen and oxygen molecules have an inseparable love affair with each other and will seek each other out and bond and produce water in the exhaust but also in the gas tank, not what we want. Another annoying fact is that the hydrogen is very explosive and must be safely contained. Never mind little \"demonstrations\' a car would need a big heavy tank requiring more power. It\'s hard to give any creditability to the Youtube video when it states such obvious propaganda as: \"Stan was subsequently conscripted to work for the Pentagon and then was murdered by poison when he hoisted a toast to success powering Army tanks with the hydrogen in water. Date: Sunday March 29th, 1998 10:38 AM\" Ooh ooh, it must be true they put in a time and date - inov8tiv Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:31:18 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4432 the type of debate America truly longs for, not lapel pin kurfuffles. Aside to Lamar, I brought up political values as I have witnessed for the last 7+ years a gutfull of the \'all taxes are bad\' mindset. What are you gonna drive your enviromentally intelligent vehicle on when all the roads, bridges, overpasses etc have crumbled? I took offense at one of your purported upsides to this concept for alternatives, saving the planet should be its own benefit, not an unjust tax break. - Donna Christopher Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:04:14 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4430 [i][/i] Browns Gas has been around for decades. HHO is water (H2O) broken up into its basic components of two molecules of hydrogen and one molecule of oxygen. Generating browns gas can be enhanced by using a source of electricity that is frequency regulated at about 20 kHz. By doing this there is relatively no generation of heat and approximately 700% greater output of energy. This is called cold fusion energy resulting in over unity. This technique is a highly risky venture as there are powers out there that doesn\'t want this around because it will eliminate our use of petroleum and step on many industries\' main source of income. See this YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uylSdePEbwI Enjoy! :D - rsun Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:20:42 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4429 You missed this Google search product: by Andy77e - 6/10/07 3:57 PM {slightly condensed} HHO gas has been in existance for over 40 years. This is not new. It\'s just been re-introduced in a new way. Classic news channel system. Find something that been around forever and everyone has forgotten about or doesn\'t know about, and cast it as \"news\" again. The problem here is, once again, water is not the \"fuel\". Water is like a battery in this case. You take a ton of electricity and covert water into HHO gas. Then, you take the gas and run it in your car. Here\'s how physics works. The water has no potential energy. You convert the water into HHO using electricity. HHO has potential energy, but only because you used electricity to make it. Then you extract the energy from HHO gas by running it through your car. But the question is how much energy is used. Since the efficiency ratings are not mentioned here, I\'ll just make my point from theory. Even if it takes only 10 Kilowatt Hours to convert 4 ounces of water into HHO gas, that would cost more money in electricity than you would spend at the gas station buying gas. But more than that, how many Kilowatt Hours does it take to charge an Electric Vehicle? If an EV uses less power to charge it\'s batteries than it does to make 4 ounces of HHO, then why would you want HHO over an EV? The EV would use less energy and save you money as well. - inov8tiv Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:33:43 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4428 suggest that there is probably not one single solution for the entire world...what could work here might not work in India. What is this need to find the single \"miracle cure\" to every problem, isn\'t it a little compulsive? Why not be flexible and open-minded? HHO might work in limited areas of the world, and Canada or the US do not export water to Africa. Hey we might have to use wind power, there is enough coming from Washington D.C. to fuel the entire nation. - Raphael Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:44:45 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4427 Most areas of the world already lack clean drinking water. Water is not the answer. Electric and/or solar power is the only feasible way to go... but solar is free so that doesnt work with the American way! - dagreat Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:17:36 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4424 Why should one\'s political affiliation matter when it comes to a letter to the editor about how something like water can help reduce the cost of traveling in a car? The high price of oil prices is not created by any political party. Yes, Pres. Busch\'s family is in the oil business. But, call up any brokerage firm and ask a stock broker to explain to you why our oil prices are so high. I am sure he will explain to you it is NOT politics that is driving up the price. If you live within walking distance of a grocery store, by all means walk to the store to purchase your groceries. But, if you do not, what option do you have in Lake County but to drive? While we do have a transit system here in Lake County, I would be surprised if any person could afford to take that much time out of his day just to purchase groceries with help from that bus. And, if you can afford to get the contraption that helps convert your gasoline guzzler to use distilled water to increase your mileage and at the same time reduce the pollution of this planet, why not do that? I invite everyone reading this post to do a Google search on [b]HHO Car[/b] and watch the NBC Youtube video. I think you will be amazed. HHO is a credible resource for helping to meet your transportation needs, while at the same time reducing the pollution of the planet. - lamar Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:36:33 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4423 taxes....\" - is this your way of saying they will still use the same roads that are supported by gas taxes, they just won\'t pay them? That sounds like welfare on a corporate level, are you a republican Lamar? Good posts RanDee and yellowwing. I do look forward to a world not dependent on oil but we should be careful - corn ethanol did not turn out as we had hoped. - Donna Christopher Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:54:26 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4422 [color=purple]What is the purpose of this article? Is it to give hope that someday we will have vehicles with better fuel economy? Is this a commentary or reporting from the web? Is this a local event? Local invention? Is it to give a false sense of hope that we will be able to use water instead of carbon sourced fuel? This is not well thought out and I would like to add some food (key word here is \"food\") for thought. As mentioned above from \"yellowwing\" that the additional impact is not being taken under consideration (typical in American gluttony). Has anyone been looking at the world situation about the water shortage? This is typical narrow mindedness about the distraction of short term solutions to not acknowledge that we do not want to be responsible for our \"daily\" actions. We really need to make a shift into what impact we have today... not to give up hope, but to realize what we do in our daily life impacts everyone on this planet. I live in Middletown and I watch my neighbors get into their cars and trucks to go shopping at Hardesters two blocks away. When will this shift? Does it take fuel to be $10 a gallon for us to start walking and being more conscious of our own personal impact? I hope not. I can go on and on about the things we can do today without waiting for some scientist (constantly being suppressed by the powerful oil companies) to come up with a solution for the price of fuel. Walk when you can... Just drive less... nature is amazing and wants to embrace our appreciation of this miracle of life. How many of our neighbors do we know by their first names? This is our community and we can make a difference today. I hope my opinion has not taken over the message of hope, but it is up to us to make changes today... today... namaste[/color] - RanDee Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:40:35 +0100 http://lakeconews.com/content/view/4001/927/#comment-4421 And in the event this takes off...what will the cost of water be? Because of the recent trend to grow crops for fuel rather than food the world is beginning to experience shortages of food grade crops... People say that water sales should not be a for-profit business. What on earth would these people say to using water to make fuel? Hydrogen is expensive and it will be decades before all the kinks are worked out. While we may save the world, we\'ll be on a diet to pay for it. (Hm-mm, given our need for exercise, maybe not such a bad idea!) - yellowwing Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:52:42 +0100